This topic is for the purpose of discussing #903: nico's N64 Super Smash Bros. in 07:08.60

This is quite impressive, Although some parts look like they could have been done quicker (by small increments but probably not since the CPU is on the hardest difficulty) this is a very nice run. A yes for me.

Still kind of repetitive (I suppose that's an inevitability), but alot more entertaining than the last one.

a lot of the stages will be slower than the last one-- either because the cpu tries to return or because the cpu has added weight that makes them take longer to KO in team matches. there were also a lot of other opening move options that were unavailable because the cpu would attack.

Could you explain why you stuck to the ground for the polygon match? How does it save time?

it minimizes recovery time in order to get to the next character faster. if i were to jump ahead of time, it would mean a large slow down waiting to fall to the ground after the attack.

very nice one, much better than the old one... I would vote yes if I could ...

Yeah, playing at full difficulty obviously changes the fastest way you can beat a CPU. Maybe you should document all the places you had to slow down because of the difficulty, and put that in your comments. Unless this happened in a lot of places. Once again, much more entertaining than the last one, and very well played (I completey understand the repitition, which is inherent in any TAS of a fighting game, I think).

http://rapidshare.de/files/8469547/ssb1p.wmv.html putting this up for people that have trouble with n64 emulation.

Hmm, Rice's plugin seems to work better for you than for me. On my system it whites out some of the graphics. But it still made the trees in Dream Land lean away from the camera in your video.

I voted yes. It was fun and fast-paced, and very entertaining. I would have preferred seeing you take on the target and platform stages just to break it up a little more, but it's a matter of taste.

Personally, I don't think this game lends itself to be a good candidate for a TAS. Most of the battles were very repetitive and too short to get into. I did like the fighting polygon team battle, mostly because it had a weapon used in it, and hitting the different targets made for at least some varied movement. I did not like the Metal Mario battle.

Go for score! Go for score!

Needs more taunting. :P But seriously, I think you can throw Metal Mario off the top platform and then lure him off immediately afterwards.

That didn't take you long. It's still repetitive and the Metal Mario fight is still boring, but I love the weapon use in the Fighting Polygon fight. Fox may be fast, but I still don't find it as interesting as Jammer01's DK run, which had a greater variety of moves. Tough call. At any rate, I don't think it was necessary to fight Ness at the end. It's not really part of the Very Hard run itself. Once unlocked, you don't fight him at the end any more. Beating Very Hard just happens to be the criteria that unlocks that particular hidden character, just as beating the game at other difficulty levels unlocks other characters.

I voted yes. That was a very quick and entertaining run. I especially like how you defeated several enemies while perpetually falling.

taunts, yeah. nearly any other character and i would be able to do the super cool taunt canceling. it's a glitch that lets a player taunt like 3 times a second. as for variety, i think this is something that would be benifit more to the unfamiliar player of smash bros. i was trying to satisfy a more meaningful objective. and i can always take out the last bit. need more feedback on that, though. i tried throwing metal mario off, and i was even able to get him off within 2 seconds, but this is only that top platform. he wouldn't at all jump off the bottom platform and attack no matter what. i encourage anyone to try before using this against me.

Break the Targets and Board the Platforms-- skips so to save time.

This was a terrible decision. Break the Targets would be, by far, the most interesting part of the game to speedrun. Maybe someone's mentioned this already, but it would be great to have TAS's of just the bonus stages for each character, like the Super Smash Bros Melee BTT videos.

you're completely right, but i think these two should be seperated into different speed runs. one for fastest 1 player, and another for fastest btt/btp with all characters. see http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=62361#62361 i've done a few individuals already, and tinister is working on a full completion; however, there's a problem with getting all the characters in one speedrun since no save states are allowed.

I wish my "official SRAM" idea could work. :(

Break the Targets and Board the Platforms-- skips so to save time.

This was a terrible decision. Break the Targets would be, by far, the most interesting part of the game to speedrun. Maybe someone's mentioned this already, but it would be great to have TAS's of just the bonus stages for each character, like the Super Smash Bros Melee BTT videos.

Agreed. It's the one part most of us ether strived to do, or to see done. The run could be called 100% Fox, if you complete all there is to do in the run. (kill every one, pass the trials, unlock the extra char.)

Hmm, how about doing three quest runs to unlock the secret characters, then doing all the bonus stages to get Luigi and the sound test? Then you'd have everything but the multiplayer prizes of Mushroom Kingdom and Item Switch.

bonus stages can be done in a separate run ¬¬ i really think metal mario could be done faster, but if you say it couldnt, i havent tested to negate, so, gj, voting yes^^

I don't know if Metal Mario could be done faster or not. All I know is that I don't find this as interesting at the DK run. Fox is fast, but boring.