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But I can press start as fast as possible with 1 controller just as well, since I can select down to 1 stock before the Fox select animation ends.
and I really cannot get the .m64 to work, becuase of the whole 2 controllers thing, I configured controller 2 and set it to active, but in movie playback it still says controller 2 is disconnected.
My advice; for ease for everyone, and since it loses no time, use 1 controller. See here for as fast menu navigation with one controller.
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It really shouldn't, since you can use the same controller to navigate to select Fox, very hard, then stock, and you have 10+ frames to wait and press start with the same controller.
Do use the keyboard or an external controller?
and while I respect that you prefer it, it makes it difficult for myself and others to view it because you need both controllers present, which I can't seem to initiate in the input settings.
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I use the N64 controller. I am talking about screens passed this one. EG. when it displays your score etc at the end of a stage, and "vs link".
This is the video of Fox's slides:
http://download.yousendit.com/9F61A5D723265BED
It really shouldn't, since you can use the same controller to navigate to select Fox, very hard, then stock, and you have 10+ frames to wait and press start with the same controller.
Do use the keyboard or an external controller?
and while I respect that you prefer it, it makes it difficult for myself and others to view it because you need both controllers present, which I can;t seem to initiate in the input settings.
Are you setting it to active? It may not work if it is set to the same gamepad too.
And it doesn't matter what input plugin you use, try n-rage's to enable second controller.
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wait, a second controller speeds up the bonus and VS. screens? how so? is it that you can press start every frame from two different controllers? why not just press start at the very first possible frame?
I was setting it to active, but yes I set both controllers with gamepad, I'll try what you suggested and see if it helps.
Edit: Yep got everything to work out beautifully for 2nd controller, if better explanation of how it saves time in the later screens I might use it myself.
Also, for video settings I use Glide64 v0.7 ME SP8, you use glN64 v0.4.1, which one is better?
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Yes it is that. I don't want to waste time finding the first frame to press start on.
I press start on every frame, it is just the way I prefer to do it. It shouldn't make any difference. Just make a second controller as if someone else was playing.
Yes it is that. I don't want to waste time finding the first frame to press start on.
I press start on every frame, it is just the way I prefer to do it. It shouldn't make any difference. Just make a second controller as if someone else was playing.
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the only graphical problem with Glide64, the one I use is that Pikachu has a lack of color around his collarbone, which shows like a white necklace. And yes neither desynch, but since I dont have direct64 which would you prefer: Glide64 or GLN64?
And the second controller has become completely moot; both turbo A and Turbo start make the bonus and VS. screens go at fastest speed, so you can turbo both start and A alternating frame by frame to nail it on the first possible frame at every time.
Start
A
Start
A
Start
A
since both do the same thing, it'll hit on the very first possible frame, while still counuting as different buttons thus going around the holding A or start rule doesn't register thing. So 2nd controller not needed.
If you use Nitsuja's TAS plugin, then you get a seperate window which has check mark boxes for all the buttons, by right clicking any of the boxes you can set that button to turbo and therefore not need the second controller.
Also, using one controller is simply easier for viewers, so that they don't have to noodle around with settings to get it to work. Basically, it requires everyone to both have N-Rage plugin AND an external controller just to watch, I think it'd be so much easier if second controller was removed, especially since I showed how with one controller you can get the same effect.
well setting it to turbo is 30Hz precision, and two controllers get 60Hz precision. But yeah I guess if you don't want to deal with the tedium of actually figuring out the first frame, then 2 controllers is a decent solution.
also google's first hit means you didn't even look for direct64 :P http://www.emutalk.net/plugins/26677-direct64-v0-5-03-25-a.html
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correct it does, ergo 2nd controller not needed, after your movie ends I made a savestate before bonus, set A to turbo and it did exactly the same as start turbo, got to the Yoshi team at the exact same time. I know you're comfortable with 2 controllers, but using 1 controller and the GUI window of the TAS input plugin for turbo would make it easier for you, and viewers. I highly recomend it.
2nd controller helps later how? it doesn't affect your character's movement in single player, how would it be helpful?
Also, using one controller is simply easier for viewers, so that they don't have to noodle around with settings to get it to work. Basically, it requires everyone to both have N-Rage plugin AND an external controller just to watch, I think it'd be so much easier if second controller was removed, especially since I showed how with one controller you can get the same effect.
It doesn't, i just mentioned the gamepad in case you were setting the 2nd controller to use it too, which looks like it doesn't work after all. The tas plugin can use 2 controllers too..
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I thought you were redoing VS. Link anyways to really optimize frames...
And I think the two controller setting is ingrained in the movie file, so a new file AKA a restart of the run would be nescessary. Although the menu navigation is so fast, it's not biggie only took me 90 rerecords but that is because I was trying to find the first frame, so should be around 70. It only took me 5 minutes to do menu navigation.
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L4yer wrote:
comicalflop wrote:
Also, using one controller is simply easier for viewers, so that they don't have to noodle around with settings to get it to work. Basically, it requires everyone to both have N-Rage plugin AND an external controller just to watch, I think it'd be so much easier if second controller was removed, especially since I showed how with one controller you can get the same effect.
It doesn't, i just mentioned the gamepad in case you were setting the 2nd controller to use it too, which looks like it doesn't work after all. The tas plugin can use 2 controllers too..
The gamepad was set as my main controller, I was setting the 2nd controller to it as well, but I got that fixed by making 2nd controller use the keyboard. I suppose it's easier than it sounds to make settings use 2, but one controller is UNIVERSALLY better for everyone, antd included because the 2nd controller is not needed due to the TAS plugin's GUI window (unless you mentioned that the 2nd controller has more helpfulness later on for different reasons.)
antd, for menu navigation and starting stages faster you do NOT need the 2nd controller, as I have stated. Unless you have some other purpose besides menu/starting screen navigation, do not use it because it's adding a new function when one controlelr can handle it just fine.
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antd wrote:
I think it is totally optimised. Unless you can see something?
antd wrote:
Looks like I'll have to re-do Vs Link. I'll have to stick to using two controllers.
I think what you have is optimized;
however, you should redo, making a new movie file with only ONE controller; however, I will accept a 2nd controller IF you have a different use for it, since I have proved that 1 controller plus the TAS input plugin GUI can do the exact same thing.
