Topic by Yagamoth

Posted: 10/6/2010 10:23 PM

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Yagamoth

Joined: 4/1/2010
Posts: 90

Some nice information there, thank you :) The easter egg is something weird though o.0.. I just played around with the poles (no pun intended) and noticed some stuff. The behaviour is actually fairly odd in my opinion. While hitting the pole with any other weapon than the whip, the following things occured in a timespan of about 0.2secs. - The second gamepad can't take any actions thus disallowing to simply walk during these 0.2secs.. - Most likely, the float-state is activated during this time, since any(!) animation that moves your character towards a direction (such as sword charge lvl 1) will act as if there are no obstacles. (sadly not beyond the character-distance-leash) - A computer-controlled-character can still move (attack, back off, etc.) and simply moves around as if there were no obstacles - The one hitting the pole does not lose any energy (it doesn't have to recharge to 100%) - Charging the weapon (up to level 1 or further) is stopped during this timespan however the recharge to 100% doesn't slow down So my points are now more or less confirmed to exist for me. Actually using the lance (spear? the meelee stick, don't know whether that's the correct name) I had a fairly big range in activating the 'stop-timespan'. I didn't receive any range weapons yet to test, whether the weapon range matters. (actually I just beat the big kitten without the sprite ^^) So the skip in the lava temple should be fairly easily doable. Is there any other condition that can be met for entering the float state? And for the 'double slide' in rooms - I've found 3 places as of now, where it probably saves some time. I think I'm going for another playthrough and check every single roomslide/whippole for a possible skip. Just because I feel like it. I may even post it here for a possible TAS-attempt-person ^^ I already thought so about the ruffy (Neko?oô), but I couldn't remember whether it was this for real. Edit: I've found something more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5wbynH9HUw What happened at 08:20? He Somehow hit the Dragon normally, casted Heal while this protected him from the laser. After this he somehow made some sort of a charged attack... Is it possible to use a charged attack higher than lvl1 with a normal attack?..

Posted: 11/11/2010 6:51 PM

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Mocktoid

Joined: 11/11/2010
Posts: 1

Hi guys. First time poster, but I've been lurking for a short while. I, like a lot of other folks, would like to see/do a TAS of this game. I've been doing some limited testing (also like a lot of other folks, I don't have much free time), and I've gotten a couple ideas. First, could this glitch be replicated on SOM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLKN4_3Y27E It's a trick that loops your attack value around, making it extremely high. So far, I haven't found a spell in SOM that actually changes the numbers that are displayed in your stats screen, so it may not be possible simply because of that. But then again I haven't had time to try each one. Second, why is it not possible to glitch through the NPCs guarding the Pandora Ruins? I tried it last night, but it wouldn't work. If one could glitch through those guys, you could recruit the girl quickly by getting kidnapped by goblins, head from the castle to the ruins, and possibly skip the entire first chunk of the game. Even if the above isn't possible, could you recruit the girl right away, get the sword to level 2, head to the witch's forest via the teleporter by the Water Palace, use the float glitch mentioned above, and get to the witches castle right away? As I get a chance to test more of this stuff I will edit this post, unless someone else get around to trying it first.

See Super Metroid Stuff: http://www.youtube.com/mocktoid (No Tanks run, Suitless Run, et cetera)

Posted: 11/26/2010 10:03 PM

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mastahwolf

Joined: 11/26/2010
Posts: 6

Ive stumbled across this 2:08:38 run on nicovideo http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12118759 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12127616 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12144855 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12350250 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12468154 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12612106 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12782634 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12812128 I dont have much knowledge of the glitches or the memory in this game but the only ones Ive seen so far is the lvl 2 sword one and a glitch with the rope to get 28000 GP he skips Underground City through a neko save glitch he controls all 3 characters and avoids unnecessary fights it seems to be a complete run and no just a WIP this is his Twitter : http://twitter.com/detachme and his blog : http://touchmeifyoucan042.blog45.fc2.com/blog-entry-56.html , not sure if he speaks english though

Posted: 11/27/2010 2:19 AM

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neo_omegon

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I couldn’t help but mention it but I’ve kept it secret for when the time comes, he’ll join here. Save warp was originally discovered by 蛍火 (hotarubi). You may know him as a famous speedrunner.

Posted: 11/27/2010 2:59 AM

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mastahwolf

Joined: 11/26/2010
Posts: 6

nice , I remembered not seeing any runs of it so far in here , thats why i rushed and posted it nice to see the very first TAS run after all this time

Posted: 11/27/2010 11:29 PM

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DarkKobold

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mastahwolf wrote:

Ive stumbled across this 2:08:38 run on nicovideo http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12118759 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12127616 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12144855 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12350250 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12468154 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12612106 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12782634 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12812128 I dont have much knowledge of the glitches or the memory in this game but the only ones Ive seen so far is the lvl 2 sword one and a glitch with the rope to get 28000 GP he skips Underground City through a neko save glitch he controls all 3 characters and avoids unnecessary fights it seems to be a complete run and no just a WIP this is his Twitter : http://twitter.com/detachme and his blog : http://touchmeifyoucan042.blog45.fc2.com/blog-entry-56.html , not sure if he speaks english though

For those like me, without a niconicodouga account, I'm posting links to each section without requiring registration http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12118759&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12127616&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12144855&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12350250&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12468154&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12612106&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12782634&w=1024&h=768 http://nicoplayer.blog60.fc2.com/?id=sm12812128&w=1024&h=768 Also, Damn, I've been saying for the past year this is the 'impossible TAS', and here it is.

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Posted: 11/28/2010 3:49 PM

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neo_omegon

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And it is his first TAS. It’s very surprising.

Posted: 11/28/2010 4:17 PM

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DarkKobold

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Is he going to submit it here?

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Posted: 11/28/2010 4:35 PM

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neo_omegon

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No. According to his twitter, he may try (U) version someday. He’s now TASing another game.

Posted: 11/28/2010 5:56 PM

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Fethy

Joined: 6/27/2010
Posts: 14

Hey guys. I would be very interesting in watching this run but unfortunately something is wrong with my computer and I can't watch any streaming video without having a huge lag. So my question is, is there any possibilities to download the video somewhere or even better (but I doubt it) to find the smv ?

Posted: 11/28/2010 5:58 PM

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amaurea

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Joined: 2/19/2007
Posts: 424
Location: UK

I had no trouble downloading it from nicovideo using download helper, but if you get on #tasvideos at freenode, I can send it to you.

Posted: 11/28/2010 6:31 PM

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Fethy

Joined: 6/27/2010
Posts: 14

amaurea wrote:

I had no trouble downloading it from nicovideo using download helper, but if you get on #tasvideos at freenode, I can send it to you.

Oh I didn't know that thing "Download Helper". I've been able to download it. Thanks a lot.

Posted: 11/28/2010 6:33 PM

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DarkKobold

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neo_omegon wrote:

No. According to his twitter, he may try (U) version someday. He’s now TASing another game.

he should just submit his (J) run!!!

Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.

Posted: 12/1/2010 4:35 PM

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Tristal

Joined: 7/10/2007
Posts: 280

Pretty crazy. I watched the whole thing - about halfway through he changes his technique for the weapon glitch, looks like he could probably save a bit of time there. Looks like we've got a benchmark now, though. Can we break 2 hours?

Posted: 12/1/2010 5:15 PM

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Yagamoth

Joined: 4/1/2010
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A very interesting run, I'm not done watching it yet. But I'd like to know, why charging the weapon in the Tropicallo fight isn't used. Is a normal "critical" attack stronger? I guess the first two Boss fights may be improvable with a different strategy. But I don't know how he determined how to fight. Anyway, so far it looks amazing.. Optimizing the ways must be hell

Posted: 12/5/2010 12:19 AM

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mastahwolf

Joined: 11/26/2010
Posts: 6

Yagamoth wrote:

A very interesting run, I'm not done watching it yet. But I'd like to know, why charging the weapon in the Tropicallo fight isn't used. Is a normal "critical" attack stronger? I guess the first two Boss fights may be improvable with a different strategy. But I don't know how he determined how to fight. Anyway, so far it looks amazing.. Optimizing the ways must be hell

I think he needs a lvl2 weapon and a CPU controlled character , in order to to trigger the charging glitch , thats why he relies on crits on the Mantis Ant and Tropicallo

Posted: 12/5/2010 8:37 AM

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caitsith2

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Even if he doesn't submit the movie here, at the least, he should upload the smv, so that those of us that are very bandwidth impaired, whether there is a data transfer limit, or if the connection is slow, can watch this.

Posted: 12/5/2010 9:10 PM
(Edited: 12/5/2010 10:20 PM)

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Highness

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Joined: 8/24/2004
Posts: 2562
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Watching this one right now. Pretty interesting. Seems that there are some flaws though. In part 4 for example, around 13:37 when he is about to enter the sewers, you can run behind the trees and omit the freeze time when the sewer guard walks to guard the entrance, as far as I remember at least. Did not play the game for some time. This is probably the biggest time saver I reckon for now. Maybe some small optimizers here and there. I'll edit this if I can spot some more things. Edit: Made a small clip of the sewer entry, or how it can be done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJFVRiAGXSs Done watching the run now. Very good indeed. Many nice glitches and huge skips. Send my cudoz if you happen to have a conversation with that guy who made it!

Posted: 12/5/2010 10:09 PM

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Limne

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Joined: 2/24/2010
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Oh my God I'm so happy someone finally did this!

Posted: 12/8/2010 12:06 PM

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neo_omegon

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My idea is the way from Pandora to Gaia’s Navel. His way is this. My way is that. (I took them from vgmaps.) It looks longer but using cannon takes much time because of the dialogue and the cutscene. Mine might be faster.

Posted: 12/8/2010 7:41 PM

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Highness

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neo_omegon wrote:

My idea is the way from Pandora to Gaia’s Navel. His way is this. My way is that. (I took them from vgmaps.) It looks longer but using cannon takes much time because of the dialogue and the cutscene. Mine might be faster.

Have you clocked them both? What are the numbers? Will be interesting.

Posted: 12/8/2010 9:48 PM

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Atma

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neo_omegon wrote:

My idea is the way from Pandora to Gaia’s Navel. His way is this. My way is that. (I took them from vgmaps.) It looks longer but using cannon takes much time because of the dialogue and the cutscene. Mine might be faster.

A mistake you made in your picture comparison is quite glaring, in that you both seemingly start at pandora. He completely bypasses pandora, and goes to the cannon from the water palace. For reference, it takes about 40 seconds for him to get to the cannon, and land at gaia's navel from the point where you'd split off.

Posted: 12/9/2010 11:41 AM

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neo_omegon

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I mean after beating Chamber's Wall in the end of his part2. I’ve not tested at all.

Posted: 12/10/2010 3:50 PM

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OmnipotentEntity

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http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=255441#255441 Reupped nicovideo TAS to youtube as single segment.

Build a man a fire, warm him for a day, Set a man on fire, warm him for the rest of his life.

Posted: 12/11/2010 2:34 AM

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mmarks

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Joined: 8/30/2010
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I tried to do this TAS, but when I saw the video of OmnipotentEntity, I did not realize it was so long, because I do not like to make TASes of more than 2 or 3 hours, but if I have to encode, but this was a great game for OmnipotentEntity, congrats

[18:51] <scrimpy> Oh, nothing [18:51] <mmarks> oh [18:51] <Nach> I think scrimpy is just jealous of you mmarks