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Your mission should you choose to accept it is as follows:
First find a game which is accepted to be absolutely terrible.
Look at various online lists to find a game accepted on a worst game of all time list.
Five such are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_worst_everhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_computer_and_video_games_considered_the_worst_everhttp://www.seanbaby.com/nes/egm10.htmhttp://www.gamespot.com/pages/tags/index.php?tags=worst+game+everhttp://mvt3k.overclocked.org/
If the game appears on several lists, you know you selected the right one.
Now that you've selected the game, make a TAS video of it. However to win this challenge you have to make the video absolutely fantastic. The video you make should be so good that people won't know the game is so bad, or they'll know the game is bad and will be refreshingly shocked at how entertaining the video is.
Goals:
Everything already required by the site rules.
Turning absolute trash into astounding entertainment.
A submission message which truly describes how utterly boring and non-entertaning the game is, yet how you turned that around.
Submitting a list of concise subtitles to appear at a particular frame for a certain duration to add to the humor, be creative, make us laugh.
Recieve an average rating of 8.0+ for technical accuracy.
Recieve an average rating of 8.5+ for entertainment.
Warning: Opinions expressed by Nach or others in this post do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or position of Nach himself on the matter(s) being discussed therein.
I nominate "Ghoul School" on NES as both an example of a terrible game and one where you wouldn't know it's so bad from watching a TAS vs playing it yourself. Also I really like this game for no known reason.
Edit: Low-G-Man is significantly less terrible but I imagine it's pretty disliked by a lot of poeple who aren't me.
someone is out there who will like you. take off your mask so they can find you faster.
I support the new Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun.
Most horrible games are horrible because of their crappy controls and playability. It's really hard to believe that anyone could make an entertaining TAS of a game like that. Of course I could be wrong but I just don't see it happening.
As was stated in the irc channel, I don't think there's any way in hell one of these games would be even close to getting 8.5 in entertainment.
Edit: To clarify, a good technical score would be much much easier.
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Fabian wrote:
As was stated in the irc channel, I don't think there's any way in hell one of these games would be even close to getting 8.5 in entertainment.
Edit: To clarify, a good technical score would be much much easier.
A good technical score by itself completely misses the point of turning the game around entertainment.
And yes this is intended to be a challenge.
Warning: Opinions expressed by Nach or others in this post do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or position of Nach himself on the matter(s) being discussed therein.
As was stated in the irc channel, I don't think there's any way in hell one of these games would be even close to getting 8.5 in entertainment.
Edit: To clarify, a good technical score would be much much easier.
A good technical score by itself completely misses the point of turning the game around entertainment.
And yes this is intended to be a challenge.
Sure, I'm not disagreeing with this. However, as I just said, I think it's an impossible challenge :)
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I just said, I think it's an impossible challenge :)
Me too. Mainly from the small number of eligable games. Odds are, there aren't any "gems" that have some major exploitable feautre, cool gltiches, or insane luck manipulation.
A good solution would be to find a game with stupid (not A Boy and his Blob kind of stupid) looking actions (by player or AI) or graphics and make fun of them using the subtitles; probably with having much speed/entertainment trade-off (think of the games like Altered Beast or Golden Axe).
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
While I don't think such an idea is impossible, I am surprised that there are such garbage pages on Wikipedia.
"The neutrality of this article is disputed" is an understatement.
I actually think that NES Hydlide would make a pretty good TAS because of it's lack of playability and how the attack/defend system seems to work. Even though it's not on the wikipedia (which is infallible by the way) article, and merely in the discussion page. Maybe it's not bad enough?
I know there's a Hydlide TAS out there somewhere, but I never saw it... so I could be dead wrong.
A quick look over the wikipedia list reveals one game with some potential:
Carmageddon 64: "Unresponsive controls" can be overcome; "bad collision detection" is always abusable, and "unstable frame rates" will increase the Technical score if abused. Running over pedestrians is entertaining.
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I actually think that NES Hydlide would make a pretty good TAS because of it's lack of playability and how the attack/defend system seems to work. Even though it's not on the wikipedia (which is infallible by the way) article, and merely in the discussion page. Maybe it's not bad enough?
I know there's a Hydlide TAS out there somewhere, but I never saw it... so I could be dead wrong.
Yes, Hydlide also was the first game that came into my mind.
I cannot estimate whether this will make a good TAS, but seeing it getting beaten in a few minutes (if that is even possible) would definitely put a smile on all the frustrated victims' faces that had to play it. Despite being one of the first of its kind it's hard to show any mercy for this game, it does deserve a place in that list.
I must suggest Captain Novolin. Not only it a pain in the ass to play, (requiring luck manipulation to compensate for poor controls and enemy design) the game has an unbelievably stupid premise.
Revolution X looks like another bottom-of-the barrel choice for a tas. It features an "Impossible" difficulty that might prove interesting in a run.
Both for SNES.
Yes, Hydlide also was the first game that came into my mind.
I cannot estimate whether this will make a good TAS, but seeing it getting beaten in a few minutes (if that is even possible) would definitely put a smile on all the frustrated victims' faces that had to play it.
Out of morbid curiosity, I did some testing on this game. Looks like it could be done pretty comfortably in under 10 minutes. If it wasn't for the dragon fight taking forever, Maybe more like 6-7 minutes.
A boring 6-7 minutes, mind you.
Carmageddon 64: "Unresponsive controls" can be overcome; "bad collision detection" is always abusable, and "unstable frame rates" will increase the Technical score if abused. Running over pedestrians is entertaining.
If you had ever played one or more Carmageddon games, you'd know that it would take hours to beat them, simply because there are, like, 40 or so levels. And each of them can't possibly be beaten in under two minutes, if we take a minimum time to destroy the opponents' cars as two minutes. And there's nothing more boring than just destroying the other cars at the start. A thorough sightseeing run of one or two levels would be fun, but the whole game is just too long.
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
I might be willing to give this a try if I can find one of the more classic simple games that I think could be exploitable. Maybe Heroes of the Lance or something dumb like that.
Wall Street Kid? :p
I notice Platoon isn't on that list, but it seems to be incredibly bad ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuBgGoV_eF0 ) but also might be doable for a TAS.
Actually, maybe I'll give Cheetahmen a try. Bokosuka Wars I think would be a pain and probably pretty pointless for a TAS but there *might* be a way to make Cheetahmen interesting.
Anyway, I wonder how bad a run of Bokosuka Wars or Total Recall would be.
