This topic is for the purpose of discussing #1311: AGGRESSiON's NES Super Mario Bros. "warps, walkathon" in 07:02.20

You know Bisqwit's TAS was simply an April Fools joke, right?

Hmmm, the 3 frames of improvement was barely noticible to my eyes. Obsoleting of a concept demo, has it ever happened before? I am not sure what to vote.

what the hell I guess... meh?

Obsoleting of a concept demo, has it ever happened before?

Yes. JXQ has obsoleted his super demo world run 2 times I think, and that is a concept demo. A fairly pointless run I think. Funny april fools though :) meh

JXQs run was not a "concept demo", it was a speedrun for a hack. Thus it ended up in the "Concept demos/Other"-category along with the concept demos. It doesn't say that concept demos should be obsoleted. The previous run was entertaining because it was a fresh and funny idea. It was fast because slowness is boring, but speedwise perfection was neither the primary goal nor source of the entertainment value. This run doesn't add to the idea (which is now old, probably boring) and provides just minor improvements in speed - which nobody cares about, since there's no speedrun community for SMB speedwalks. I don't think this old joke should be revived at the top of NewMovies. I don't think the old run should be silently replaced either, as the new one doesn't really add to the entertainment value (and Bisqwit deserves his name next to this sillyness.. so everyone knows who to blame :p). While it might be interesting for some to know that it can be done faster, or to see where you squeezed some frames, none of that requires encoding. Frame comparisons are best done inside the emulator. No vote. edit: yeah, biqwit managed to summarise my post in one short concise sentence.

I think we can add link to this submission @for those who are interested" in published movie summary

What Tub said. This was an April, 1st joke, it didn't have to be absolutely perfect to do that. Since you're not even submitting your run on that exact day, it loses all of its value. Voting no. However, I must say, you shouldn't be discouraged because of this outcome. Try improving some another run for a change, you seem to have some necessary skills to do that.

If walking is good enough for the Olympics, it's good enough for us, as far as I am concerned. Thumbs way up! Don't rest on your laurels, though, buckeroo ... I expect to see further improvements soon!

if it was significant (at least 21 frames) then i'd say yes but c'mon 3 frames? hell no

I think it's erroneous to claim that speed was not the aim in this "walkathon". Of course it was. It's just that a limitation was imposed for entertainment reasons, in order to get a different category of run for the same game. In other words, it's a "how fast can be the game completed without pressing the b button at all?", ie. speed was still the main goal even with the imposed limitation. This is no different from "how fast can this game be completed without using any warps?" or "how fast can this game be completed by using this alternative route/character" which are accepted (and by all means acceptable) forms of TASing. However, I fully agree that a mere 3 frame improvement is way too little for this kind of special concept TAS. This was more a curiosity than a really serious record-breaking TAS, and thus this kind of "obsolete by 3 frames" would be way overboard. A 10-second improvement would more like it (but of course most probably impossible).

I think it's erroneous to claim that speed was not the aim in this "walkathon".

It is not erroneous. I indeed did not try to optimize it. (*) I only intended it as a concept demonstration for funny effect on a particular April Fools' day. *) As witnessed by the 34-frame improvement I linked to the rejection message of this submission. I created that improvement in 2 hours and even that's not optimized; I only aimed to demonstrate that ACiDYCAPS's submission is not much more optimal than my unoptimized movie was.

om, nom, nom... blech, stale!