Surprise! It's a new Rockman TAS time. This movie is 10.2667 seconds faster than the published movie. How did this happen? I won't spoil you. Watch the movie. You'll definitely know it when you see (and hear!) it. Hint: Wily2.

Attributes

  • Aims for fastest time
  • Abuses programming errors
  • Manipulates luck (for refills and for random involuntary movements)
  • Uses death as a shortcut
  • Utilizes a robot player (refills, Wily3 boss, Wily4 boss, death, seizures)
  • Utilizes frame counter, frame advance, RAM watch, subpixel positions etc.

Contributors

AngerFist, Morimoto, Vatchern, Hanzou, Blechy, 4matsy, Feitclub, Truncated, Spider-Waffle, Boco and others.

Bisqwit's comments

You will never know when a TAS is "final". Especially not with this game. I don't honestly expect Rockman 1 ever to be completed in less than 10 minutes, but with these advances, you can never be 100% certain of the final limit.
Naturally, the page Rockman Tricks, which has the purpose of explaining every trick and glitch known in NES Rockman games, is becoming rather outdated. It does contain the foundation of Rockman glitching, but the applications surprise us, and are hard to describe.
The first six stages of this movie are identical to the previous movie. The first changed stage is Wily 1 (collected 1 refill less there).
In this submission, I list finalfighter as a co-author, because he is basically the architect of this submission. His contribution in this movie outweighs anyone else's, only equal to perhaps mine. The movie retains certain portions played by AngerFist (described in the previous submission), and I thank him for that.
Ps: I'm finally ready to state that this game has been broken.

FinalFighter's comments

This newly discovered technique is very interesting, especially in that it makes it possible to cross walls in various places.
Because it also causes the game sound to shift, people who are interested of glitches should definitely try it.
This technique was found two years ago, but because Megaman died when the technique was used, it was judged unusable by me, Bisqwit and Morimoto.
It was very fortunate that an insight struck me to try the technique once more before throwing it completely away, for it enabled yet another kind of Megaman 1 TAS to exist.
Many people ask me how to discover new techniques.
  • Continuously use slow playing speed.
  • Test known techniques, and remember them.
  • Love the software.
These things are vital in my opinion.
I am thankful to people who make the TAS-movies when I find new techniques, despite the tough work involved in it.
Thanks to Bisqwit for creating the computer program for optimizing this new idea. Your programming ability amazes me once again.
PS: Please enjoy this new TAS!
(FF's comments translated by Bisqwit)

Truncated: Accepting as an improvement to the previous Mega Man movie.

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JXQ
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Warp wrote:
I wouldn't even be surprised if he didn't watch the movie at all, but just abused the voting mechanism to make a protest.
You are abusing the posting mechanism to protest against what you assume is a protest. Why? We've heard ALL this before! He votes no, you vote yes, we move on, let it go!
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Zurreco wrote:
How is he abusing the voting system?
In that he used it as a protest against overglitched runs, not as an opinion whether this run should be published, obsoleting the previous run.
He answered the question of the poll, what more can you ask for? Don't assume that he didn't watch it, because that you look bad.
Oh, sure, he read the question in the poll and honestly answered that question. It was not a protest against anything, just a honest unbiased opinion. And I also see a cow flying outside my window.
Necro is free to give his opinion on the run, and the only counterproductivity here is you being dismissive to his beliefs. Did he like the submission? No. Does he want it published? No. Does his opinion in this matter still count? Yes.
By voting no he is telling that the previous video should be kept because it's better. However, that's clearly not his opinion. That's not what he wants to say with his vote. He just wants to protest like a child with a tantrum.
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Warp wrote:
In that he used it as a protest against overglitched runs, not as an opinion whether this run should be published, obsoleting the previous run.
Assumption.
Warp wrote:
Oh, sure, he read the question in the poll and honestly answered that question. It was not a protest against anything, just a honest unbiased opinion.
Dismissive assumption.
Warp wrote:
By voting no he is telling that the previous video should be kept because it's better. However, that's clearly not his opinion. That's not what he wants to say with his vote. He just wants to protest like a child with a tantrum.
Umm, disagree: if he answered the poll question, it has no bearing on the old movie. What would you do if someone made what you considered a really really terrible run that was accepted, and then someone obsoleted it by 1 second? How would you vote? Keep in mind, the question in the poll is "Vote: Did you like watching this movie?" What it means beyond that is personal speculation.
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JXQ wrote:
You are abusing the posting mechanism to protest against what you assume is a protest. Why?
Excuse me? I thought the forum exist *precisely* for people to post their opinions. I didn't reproach his usage of the forum for his little protest. I reproached his usage of the voting system for that. If he had posted a 10-page essay about the evils of glitched runs, then fine. However, sabotaging a submission with a stupid protest vote is not the way to go.
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You're abusing it because you're sputtering the same inane bullshit over and over!! At least NecroVMX kept it short and sweet with his opinion. He's not arguing with everyone this time why we shouldn't vote yes because it's so glitched - he just said his opinion and left it at that, because THIS ARGUMENT ALREADY HAPPENED. STOP REPEATING YOURSELF. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that voting no on a submission has anything to do with the previous submission? Or that NecroVMX didn't watch the run? Or that his vote here is a protest to all glitched runs? Oh, you assumed all of these things. LET IT GO!!
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By voting no I am doing 2 things. 1) I am saying this run is crap, and not fun to watch at all. 2) I am *indeed* saying I prefer the current run to this one. I don't *like* the current run, but this one is even worse. Either way, my vote is no. You'll notice that although I am the *only* one voting no on this run, you are the only one complaining about that and trying to invalidate my vote somehow. It's my vote and I'll vote "pointlessly" if I feel like it. And just like I'll probably get nowhere voting no, you'll also get nowhere whining about me voting no. The only difference is I'm aware of the fact.
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JXQ wrote:
LET IT GO!!
JXQ, come back to IRC so we can collaborate out efforts to defeat the great evil that is Warp.
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Zurreco wrote:
What would you do if someone made what you considered a really really terrible run that was accepted, and then someone obsoleted it by 1 second? How would you vote?
If both submissions are equally bad, I would either not vote or vote "meh" because I wouldn't really care which one of the two is kept. Given that the first submission was already accepted, voting no in the second submission wouldn't change anything. If both runs are extremely bad and what I would want is to remove them completely, a "no" vote on the second submission would be pointless with regard to that goal. Instead I would make a post about it. If the newer submission is in any way better than the older, I could even vote "yes" to raise the quality even a bit. A "no" vote has, in practice, the meaning "this should not be published" only for the first submission for the game. For subsequent submissions it means, in practice, if it should be obsoleted or not. Voting "no" means "this submission is not better than the previous, I liked the previous one more".
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Can you guys please stop arguing? It's just one no vote and one opinion; get over it. Don't take things personally. A vote is an opinion, not an attack against your beliefs.
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Warp, about fifty times, wrote:
A "no" vote has, in practice, the meaning "this should not be published" only for the first submission for the game. For subsequent submissions it means, in practice, if it should be obsoleted or not. Voting "no" means "this submission is not better than the previous, I liked the previous one more".
So now we should all vote according to your rules? What if I don't agree with your rules? Can I make post after post after post after fucking post explaining why my interpretation of the voting system is "correct", ignoring everyone who points out that the text at the top of the submission page? Can I accuse others who vote no based on this text of breaking the rules, voting out of spite, not liking the right kinds of TAS's, and point them toward SDA? I could, but then I'd be acting like a huge dick.
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Vote: Did you like watching this movie? (Vote after watching!)
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NecroVMX wrote:
2) I am *indeed* saying I prefer the current run to this one. I don't *like* the current run, but this one is even worse.
I don't believe that, but requesting honesty would be futile, I suppose.
And just like I'll probably get nowhere voting no, you'll also get nowhere whining about me voting no. The only difference is I'm aware of the fact.
Curiously, you don't even see that with that sentence you are admitting your stubborness and unwillingness to discuss about these things in a reasonable and civil way. Try to grow up a little.
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Dude, you're the one that jumps all over me every time I say what I think. No one else is doing that.
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Warp wrote:
I don't believe that, but requesting honesty would be futile, I suppose. Try to grow up a little.
Sweet, personal attacks. You do know that ad hominem is a logical fallacy, right? Also, if he dislikes glitches, his logic that he preferred the less glitched run over this one makes a lot of sense.
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JXQ wrote:
So now we should all vote according to your rules? What if I don't agree with your rules?
Uh? I expressed my opinion on what I think the votes mean. Nowhere did I say "this is how you all must vote".
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Warp wrote:
JXQ wrote:
So now we should all vote according to your rules? What if I don't agree with your rules?
Uh? I expressed my opinion on what I think the votes mean. Nowhere did I say "this is how you all must vote".
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Warp wrote:
Uh? I expressed my opinion on what I think the votes mean. Nowhere did I say "this is how you all must vote".
Yeah, that's why when Necro votes no, you come down on him for it.
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Yeah you're only saying how it's *I* must vote, and since I voted otherwise, I'm sabatoging it and abusing it :P
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Zurreco wrote:
Sweet, personal attacks. You do know that ad hominem is a logical fallacy, right?
An argumentum ad hominem means to try to prove a claim as false by pointing out something objectionable about the person who made the claim. For example, saying "he is not a professional physicist, thus everything he says about gravity should be doubted" is an argumentum ad hominem. I was not trying to discredit his opinion by making him look bad. I was simply calling him childish and stubborn because he apparently doesn't even want to discuss his opinion. That's not ad hominem, that's just a pure insult, nothing more.
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Let him vote "no" if he wants to vote "no". However, I think his action is just about as stupid as the one's who at one point said he'll vote "no" on all submissions made with Famtasia, because he hates that emulator. Edit: wording.
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Who says it's a protest? Is it that hard to believe that someone doesn't like this run? Edit: Since Bisqwit edited his post, mine seems to make no sense now. Edit2: Wait, yes it does. Someone who votes "no" on this run is doing a "stupid action"?
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NecroVMX wrote:
Yeah you're only saying how it's *I* must vote, and since I voted otherwise, I'm sabatoging it and abusing it :P
In fact, I didn't say anywhere how you must vote. I just said that using the voting system to express a protest is foolish and useless. It has no effect on anything and adds no information. Of course in typical flamewar fashion words are constantly being put into my mouth by others.
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Translation from internetese When Warp says I "do not want to discuss" my opinion. What he really means is that I won't change my mind and agree with him. I've discussed it at legnth in the other thread, explaining why I don't like this type of run and bla bla bla. I don't like repeating myself, and there's really nothing else I have to say about it.
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Ad Hominem : -A fallacy that attacks the person rather than dealing with the real issue in dispute. -an argument "against the man" or person. This is a device employed to attack not the issues but rather the one you are arguing with, especially on a personal level or basis. It is usually employed by those whose arguments are weak (thanks Google!) When you say "requesting honesty is futile", you're actually saying "I can't expect honesty from you." That is an act of attacking the person rather than their claims. On what grounds do you doubt the honesty of Necro after he was honest enough to vote no because he did not enjoy the submission? At what point is it that his statements became questionable? Was it when he did something that you didn't agree with, and so rather than accept his stance in an 'agree to disagree' fashion, you decided that he was a saboteur who was not worthy of dignification.
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Warp wrote:
Of course in typical flamewar fashion words are constantly being put into my mouth by others.
But who's putting the feet in your mouth?
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