I vote Yes. Movie is entertaining and game is great :)

for example there's arwing clear, pokemon clear, and the booby trap bonus, although the last two require items which means you can't get it until at least 20 seconds into the fight.

I'm voting no, mostly for the reasons already given by previous "meh" and "no" voters. Repetetive + poor choice of goals, if not poor choice of game. Super Smash Brothers is fun to play, but the limited moveset makes it less fun to watch. If you're then restricting yourself to a fast completion, this basically destroys any hope of variety, which makes for a very boring run. My advice would to make a runthrough which didn't worry about time at all, except in the "break the targets", "board the platforms", and "race to the exit" sections.

Beating 3 teamed computers at level 9 might also be interesting (although this is only possible in real time)... or a 4-player movie, controlling all 4 characters. (Goals of this would be very unclear though)

Actually, the clearest goal in this run is to achieve the maximum "points per frame", so getting the absolute highest score would result in a lower PPF since you have to wait a lot longer to get the score. That being said, I think comicalflop's 81.4 PPF is pretty optimized at the moment. EDIT: When I say "points per frame" I mean taking the total points at the end and dividing it by the number of frames in the movie.

^^^what he said. This is a good way of explaining how this kind of video 'makes sense' as a TAS video submission. Points per frame/points per second....thats a great idea for other TASes for other games like this too....ingenious!

As per the goals, It sounded to me like a random strategy was decided, so long as it was pretty fast and gave you a pretty good score. Hypothetically: Is a much higher score in a slightly slower time an improvement? Is a slightly lower score in a much faster time an improvement? If points per frame is how the run is supposed to be measured, then it seems that the answer to both could be yes.

This is true, but the idea here was to create a run that was both fast and entertaining. I believe that the only way to make a run like this entertaining is to do exactly what comicalflop did - get a fast time while simultaneously getting as many bonuses as possible in that short timeframe. This strategy seems much better to me than just blasting through the CPU's as quickly as possible. Improving the time of the movie significantly, i.e. ignoring the bonus goal, would be too repetitive. It was the differing strategies in the levels, like going pacifist on Fox but racking up damage on Samus, that removed some of the monotony one would see in a run that would clear the game as fast as possible. Significantly improving the score of the run would, however, would be difficult, if not extremely boring. Pacifist would have to be collected in more levels, and some of the more clever tricks seen in this movie would not be seen. We would mostly see Kirby dodging enemies back and forth for this kind of movie. The only purpose such a movie would serve, in my eyes, would be a demonstration of the stupidity of the CPU's. Comicalflop's run is a healthy mix of both these goals. There is an entertainment factor with both speed and with score here. I think this run is the best a TAS can do for Super Smash Brothers, so if we are ever going to accept a TAS for this game, this would be it.

I followed it on youtube. I loved it. Yes vote.

I'm voting yes because I was entertained by this run. The one problem that I have is, as others have stated, that the goal is pretty unclear/unusual. I think that if this run is to be obsoleted, it should be done so by a higher score, even if it's much slower. Since antd is already doing a pure fastest completion, having time as a factor is pointless unless it adds to the score, which it usually doesnt (waiting for the Pacifist almost always makes up for time lost doing so).

Could anyone please explain me, why or how can a score be the main entertainment factor in this game, and in fighting games in general? Because in fightings, the entertainment is strongly prevalent over everything else (be it time, score, you name it). And since the fightings are generally the most repetitive game genre out there, the key to the entertainment is variety — a thing that was thrown out of the window in this particular run due to an arbitrary goal. So we have a run, where author puts getting a high score over everything else, using lame attacks that get old after 2-3 times, and achieves a score of 2554881 points. Does that number entertain anyone? Does it break a long-ago developed milestone? Feel free to correct me, but I think not. And I also may put it in this way: if there was a OHKO move in a game such as MKT or KI, would you be entertained to see it abused in every battle 20 times in a row? I sure wouldn't. And SSB, despite being one of the best fighting games ever, is not an exception. If so many people wanted to see this game TASed so badly, maybe they should have decided a more entertaining category of a run to begin with? I'd vote on something not even remotely related to a certain score or "score per time unit" goal (which I personally think is retarded for a fighting game TAS). A piece of discussion from IRC (irrelevant lines edited out): <DeHackEd> moozooh: you don't want someone to drag the game out indefinitely and max out the score, do you? <moozooh> DeHackEd: no, but i don't want it to be 10/14 stages filled with the identical OHKOs, either, especially since the goal is arbitrary. <Raiscan> how about a run with the most different ways of killing the enemy while still maintaining fastest speed possible/highest score? <moozooh> Raiscan: i thought about that, but i don't know how it would look. <moozooh> may be good. <Raiscan> well it would certainly be more entertaining <Raiscan> I think speed and entertainment is the safest bet for SSB <Raiscan> if you go for max score it could be long winded and boring <moozooh> Raiscan: yes, but speed should always be a secondary goal in a fighting game. <Raiscan> yet if you go for the points per frame it becomes a bit repetitive to watch because the fastest/highest scoring moves are the ones that would be used most <Raiscan> so entertainment highest goal and then speed second? <moozooh> yes, every single fighting game run on the site follows this guideline.

I think you got the wrong idea...here is why I say that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71yUbTsR54E Now altho this video is HUGELY entertaining, and took alot of work, and is a very awesome video....it doesn't really accomplish anything game-based(anything TAS worthy) like fastest time, etc. Comicalflops 'points per frame' TAS run may not be as entertaining, not as much as this vid is, but it DOES accomplish something that is set up in the game. the game has a scoring system, and a time system. Comicalflops video has entertainment value, there are alot of votes saying yes, just not as entertaining as it could have been, but none the less, its an awesome accomplishment, and I think it could use some more work, and some more thought to making it even better, and possibly even less repetitive.(I'm willing to work with comicalflop to do another more entertaining 'points per frame run' if he wants to)

Iguess I shouldn't really open my maw because I have never really played this game to that level. It just seems like one could get a better score then that...I know there is a whole list of bonuses, correct me if I'm wrong. I mean if your origonal intent was to make points...

well i have the video input, but i dont know where to find the following: sound: Jabo's DirectSound 1.6 input: TAS Input Plugin 0.6 RSP : RSP emulation Plugin i tried googling them, without results :x

Points per frame/points per second....thats a great idea for other TASes for other games like this too....ingenious!

So, like I asked earlier, would you to see a highest score/frame run of Super Mario World, or of Super Mario Bros? What about highest coins per frame? It's the same concept, but it's terribly misguided there as it is here. Points per frame is one of the most superfluous singular goals I've yet to see, and it also leads to a "not as fast/not as high" mentality. Furthermore, if that is the criteria that you choose to judge this submission:

Comicalflops 'points per frame' TAS run may not be as entertaining, not as much as this vid is... ...and I think it could use some more work, and some more thought to making it even better, and possibly even less repetitive.

You still admit that it isn't very entertaining compared to other work, and that what has been done in this category could still be improved upon. So what you're saying is this: a Super Smash Bros run will never be very entertaining, but we should accept this movie that accomplishes an arbitrary goal, even though it isn't the most entertaining SSB related work out there, because it is the least boring/repetetive submission we can expect (even though it can be improved upon, apparently)? Since when did we pick the lesser of evils as acceptable runs?

@change1: All you need is mupen, the rom, and the movie file. All the plugins should already be in mupen.

I agree that the goals are not clear, this should be a run that only goes for high score without regards to the time. Since it is currently the world record high score I vote yes. If a slower movie beats this score I would vote for that to obsolete this movie.

I agree that the goals are not clear, this should be a run that only goes for high score without regards to the time. Since it is currently the world record high score I vote yes. If a slower movie beats this score I would vote for that to obsolete this movie.

I can only agree, but if a new movie with a little higher score comes out that is significantly slower, people will argue that the tradeoff is too big. So when it comes to effectivity, this run is very good. It looked quite optimized for me and I think that anyone who played the game before on a real console (and I did that) was amazed how the CPU can be manipulated. Playing the game on very hard is difficult like hell, and the enemies' stupid moves are just amazing. I see no reason not to publish it, though it's not a classic TAS.

Unfortunatley last time the author submitted a TAS I felt my lack of knowledge of the game prevented me from enjoying it, I think this case is even stronger except this time I do have pretty sound knowledge of the game. If you look at the spread of votes across all fighting games, you'll realise that the genre probally has the lowest yes vote rating, which probally means that its exeptionally hard to make a fighting thats fast and entertaining, since the fastest strategy is always. A: Un-entertaining B: Reptitive I'll give my yes vote to this as this is pretty much what I expected as a theoetical limit of the game, and I hope this gets published so maybe alternate characters can get used *COUGH*LINK*COUGH*. Although I really would like to give SSBM a try since the mechanics and AI are greatly more advance and would take many more re-records to do. Also if this gets rejected then it means that the chances of anyone else either A: trying a run of Smash Bros B: getting a run accepted are very low indeed.

Although I really would like to give SSBM a try since the mechanics and AI are greatly more advance and would take many more re-records to do.

Good luck trying to find a good GC emulator with rerecording.

If the sole purpose of this site is for so-called "entertaining" movies, my hope is that in the near future, someone will create another TAS community in which objective, easily-measurable standards such as time and score are regarded as highest priority, and "entertainment" comes second, not as a fundamental requirement for a run to be published. I am sure that there are at least a few others here who share this same sentiment.

Here is a general rule that relates to this run: The more time spent thinking up the 'rules' which are to be accepted for a game, the less acceptable the run will be. If there are no clear defined goals to be made in a run you will have a hard time entertaining people. As for having a run like this for each character in the game. LOL? This reminds of Track and Field... Edit: Why you chose to make this run, and not a Break The Targets/Board the Platforms run is beyond me.

If the sole purpose of this site is for so-called "entertaining" movies, my hope is that in the near future, someone will create another TAS community in which objective, easily-measurable standards such as time and score are regarded as highest priority, and "entertainment" comes second, not as a fundamental requirement for a run to be published. I am sure that there are at least a few others here who share this same sentiment.

Do I smell Nate in here?

Why you chose to make this run, and not a Break The Targets/Board the Platforms run is beyond me.

It'd have to start from a savestate. If we get permission from Bisqwit I might consider doing it with antd.

Do I smell Nate in here?

What do you mean by that?