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It might be impossible to do the cuckoo jump over the Gerudo gate when heading to the spirit temple early. Also, you'd need to use the "doesn't break" deku stick glitch a lot for when you do need to slash.
You can use BA to get the deku stick on B as a child.
EDIT: I know its possible to get one item but not the other but skip what would be most unexpected.
Kokiri Sword/Deku sticks
Slingshot/Deku nuts
bombs/bombchus
I don't think bombs can be skipped, dodongo needs to be killed.
And I must agree a run skipping the sword will be more entertaining/surprising.
As for the slingshot, it's skipped.
Edit: Bombs cans be skipped it seems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_bO2F7fpSM
Edit 2: Sword can not be skipped since Mido blocks me from going to the Deku tree, and I need the spiritual stone to trigger the OoT-in-the-moat cutscene. If anyone has any idea as to how the sword skip could be achieved, feel free. In the meantime I'll continue the test run with the sword and without deku sticks.
Edit 3: I'll post something when I'll be out of the forest (fairy ocarina will be skipped as well)(thus magic meter will be taken as adult). Right now I beat Gohma slingshot-less-style and I'm in Lost woods.
G2g to work, be back in the morning. (3:30am east. time)
Edit 2: Sword can not be skipped since Mido blocks me from going to the Deku tree, and I need the spiritual stone to trigger the OoT-in-the-moat cutscene. If anyone has any idea as to how the sword skip could be achieved, feel free. In the meantime I'll continue the test run with the sword and without deku sticks.
Youtube is blocked at work... So I'm in the process of converting the movies to avi with the URL... I'll edit this post with comments in a few minutes.
Great site to convert youtube at workplaceEdit: @Kirby: Only the first vid worked for me ATM. But how did you get behind Mido without the sword? Did Mido disappear because you went to get the lullaby, and those few extra things you had in your item screen before doing the Deku Tree. Because I checked this morning and simply exiting the forest and coming back right away will not make Mido disappear. But maybe getting a few things (Zelda's lullaby as an exemple) makes him go away!?
And also I can't skip the fairy ocarina as a kid, because of BotW early that requires water to be lowered (right?). And if I do spirit early I would get 1 more songs. And the Fairy ocarina disapears from the item screen when I pick the Oot anyways.
Youtube is blocked at work... So I'm in the process of converting the movies to avi with the URL... I'll edit this post with comments in a few minutes.
Great site to convert youtube at workplaceEdit: @Kirby: Only the first vid worked for me ATM. But how did you get behind Mido without the sword? Did Mido disappear because you went to get the lullaby, and those few extra things you had in your item screen before doing the Deku Tree. Because I checked this morning and simply exiting the forest and coming back right away will not make Mido disappear. But maybe getting a few things (Zelda's lullaby as an exemple) makes him go away!?
From the youtube video description:
"Mido wasn't there after I went to Goron City. Haha "
and a manocheese comment: "Mido goes inside his house as soon as you get Zelda's Lullaby because the Saria's Song sequence triggers. "
Thank you DK64 :)
So, now I guess...
I get shield + deku stick (1) from shop.
I leave forest early.
Go to Hyrule Castle. (Get Zelda's lullaby + Letter.)
Exit Castle (die/reset).
Do deku tree (getting (3) more sticks on my way)(skipping slingshot)
Leave forest normally (Sariah shouldn't be there)(Or the other way if she is.)
Keep going... BotW, Dodongo, Jabu, etc.
But in the zelda's cutscene Link shows her the 1st stone... doesn't it give it to him (in status screen) thus making the deku tree skippable? Maybe they tried it in the any% without getting zelda's lullaby, and it changes something if you get that particular song? Anyone knows or I'll try it later.
Would be neat.
fairy ocarina is completely skippable -- you can use the "ocarina items" glitch to play songs when you need to.
saria still gives you fairy ocarina if you leave kokiri forest the normal way
Can't you manipulate a deku stick to stay alive forever? Also, can't you make it "alive" forever after jumpslashing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZAjnXPHWM
Description:
"Just break it in midair with Z + A, it is then a stub and it can't be broken. "
This is a very old glitch (like 9 years old), but I wonder if it will help here?
For the ocarina: It will be skipped, I don't see any reasons not to, if you say there's a item-ocarina-glitch that can be used where I need to use it it's even better. I'm not familliar with this one so I'll work on it in an hour or so...
For the sticks: Yes when broken in half I remember you can keep it for a while. I'll have to see to what extent this can be used... since always stopping to pick stick will get boring. I'll just need to check when is it wearing off or whatever. And thanks DK64 for putting the youtube descriptions :).
I just can't wait to get home... STUPID NIGHTSHIFTS!
I'll need to work out a rupee route to get 50 rupees without necessarily going in the "maze-with-a-huge-rolling-rock-defying-the-laws-of-gravity-and-momentum".
I see what you did there.
Well there are quite a few blue rupees in the mai area. One behind the house across from link's, one for going on the 3 stepping stones, one from chopping the sign by the rolling rock area entrance, there's one inside the shop, too. Probably more. Plenty of manipulation to be done on the grass up there too.
4 rupees in the high grass areas.
7 rupees in the air in the training area (gotten by backflipping).
5 rupees in the air near the sign in the training area (gotten by slashing it).
12 rupees inside the area with the rolling boulder.
11 rupees inside Mido's house.
5 rupees behind Mido's house.
5 rupees you can get by walking across the wooden bridges (can be gotten by jumpslashing from the fence).
5 rupees in the air over the stepping stones in the river (gotten by jumping).
5 rupees behind the counter in the shop.
So that's 59 surefire rupees (they're always there), and you could always manipulate probably just as many by cutting grass and throwing rocks.
<insert big route here>
So that's 59 surefire rupees (they're always there), and you could always manipulate probably just as many by cutting grass and throwing rocks.
How can we jumpslash if we don't have a sword? Using the deku stick means that we have 2 trips to the shop, which sounds slow.
And if I could avoid the boulder area it'd be great....
cause going through that small gap is very long.
So I'd vote for major manip. of rocks (can't cut bushes). And if it's not enough... sidehop all the bridge to get 5 more.
Ok looks like I have to go in boulder area, since I can't get 8 rupees from rocks I believe. And can't slash grass.
So...
1 from grass
7 from fences backflip
12 from boulder area
10 in mido's house (leaving one pot intact)
5 behind his house
5 on the bridge
5 jumping the river
5 in the shop
=50 rupees.
Sounds fast and good? I rather pick one from the grass and not have to break all pots in Mido's house, because picking/throwing pots is long as opposed to taking the first rupee in the grass.
I'll be doing this after a good 5-6 hours sleep (starting now). G'night
<insert big route here>
So that's 59 surefire rupees (they're always there), and you could always manipulate probably just as many by cutting grass and throwing rocks.
How can we jumpslash if we don't have a sword? Using the deku stick means that we have 2 trips to the shop, which sounds slow.
Heh, you don't NEED to jumpslash to the bridge, I just wanted to point out that you could. You can sidehop from Link's balcony and end up where to bridges start aswell.
<insert big route here>
So that's 59 surefire rupees (they're always there), and you could always manipulate probably just as many by cutting grass and throwing rocks.
How can we jumpslash if we don't have a sword? Using the deku stick means that we have 2 trips to the shop, which sounds slow.
Heh, you don't NEED to jumpslash to the bridge, I just wanted to point out that you could. You can sidehop from Link's balcony and end up where to bridges start aswell.
Forgive me, I was refering to any time we needed to cut a bush (in your original route), not necessarily by jump slashing it.
I'm pretty sure when an area leaves memory, its variables are reset. i.e. if you go into mido's house, any rupees you got in the main kokiri forest area will respawn when you exit the house. So I doubt it's necessary to crawl to the boulder area.
Although I've asked this before, can we buy the shield from the business scrub we megaflip from? After we purchase it from him, does he attack you?
The reason why I ask this is because maybe you can factor in going into the lost woods into the rupee route?
3 questions:
1) How can I kill Bongo Bongo without the hookshot?
I guess I could go get the bow before doing sadow temple and kill him with that, without adding another item since I should get the bow anyways. But is there a better way to do this?
And
2)How many bombchus can I carry maximum? Is there a limit? Is that limit different from childhood to adulthood?
3) Best spots to get deku sticks other than near deku tree and/or shops?
I'm at work. Again! On a saturday night. (>.<)
bombchu limit doesn't change between child and adult. Limit is 30 I think. Will you be getting any bottles at all? because if you aren't, how is the ganondorf fight going to work?
edit: wow I'm dumb. kokiri sword isn't even used in that fight and as stated below, master sword is unskippable. Nevermind.
