Post subject: Idea for seeding
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hi. I got this idea that popped into my head and I wonder if it's possible. Take the video file, not the avi torrent. Encode it into an avi, and then start seeding that file with the respective torrent. This way, the people who can't do this can get the file. Please tell me if this won't work. I'll try it.
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I have encoded an avi for Little Sampson for the NES, but it is 580 Mbs and 13 minutes long. Did it work?
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There's an autoseeder that will kick in if nobody is seeding the file, which will enable you to download any of the currently-published AVIs/MKVs on the site, albeit slowly.
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I think he means that rather than download the published AVI and seeding it, you make your own and seed it with the torrent for the published AVI. If this is the case, I can't see how or why you would possibly think it would work for a media file that is completely different to the one published..
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Then what's the point of the urgent seed needs list here? http://tasvideos.org/Helping.html
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I don't think Bisqwit's auto-seeder has every AVI ever made. The point of the urgent seeding list is for when others have downloaded the torrent in the past, and wish to help reseed it.
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Ahh, my mistake. I read it as "Hey, I have a great idea -- people could actually seed the video files on the site, so that they'd be downloadable!" Which is a complaint that's come up occasionally, so I figured I'd provide the standard response. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But yes, unless your encoded AVI was identical to the one that the officially published version uses (and I can't see how you could manage that without being yourself the publisher), I don't think your suggestion would work. Typically download speeds are very fast right after a movie gets published, though; if you grab the movie file then, then you can save it for later when seeds are needed.
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If you really want to help with the downloads just upload as many AVIs as you can on archive.org
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Ok, so my plan is to encode successful avi's and upload them to archive.org How would I get the site notification on the video, or should I just say in the description?
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Don't use a separate encode from what is already provided via the torrent files. Nineko implied that you should download the AVI that is already published, and then upload that to archive.org to maintain consistency with the site and its standards of encodes.
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So I should just forget this whole idea all together? What I am trying to do is to avoid downloading the avi's via bittorrent. Will they still pass as a "official" tasvideo if I encode it and it doesn't have the site notifications on it? Also, why is the avi I encode so huge when the avi via bittorrent is small. Ex. My avi of Little Sampson is 580 Mbs. The avi via bittorrent is about 22 Mbs. How did they get the file size so small?
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No, they will not pass as "official" if you encode it without site notifications. Also, if you can already watch the movie via emulator, why are you so concerned with producing another .avi? I'm not an encoder, but I would guess that the reason your encode is huge, and the published encode is small, is that you have a lossless version produced. The published movies go through a couple passes to compress the movie into a smaller package, at a (hopefully) minimal loss to video/audio quality.
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His goal with providing another AVI is to help people get access to the encoded movies. It's a good goal, but as noted, the best way to do this is to provide more ways to download the official AVIs, not to add new unofficial ones. Additionally, it's a good idea to always have the site notifications on any videos you encode, since otherwise people have a tendency to accuse you of cheating...
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I don't put it at the uncompressed state. I put it at Microsoft Video 1 at 100% visual quality.
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fractalwizz wrote:
I don't put it at the uncompressed state. I put it at Microsoft Video 1 at 100% visual quality.
That'll be why then. Seriously, I advise against proceeding with any encoding for the site until you have learned the encoder guidelines and are able to abide to them. Feel free to provide other ways to distribute already encoded AVIs though. Personally I feel torrents are the best possible way of distribution, though a slightly different way of getting the torrents might work better.
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ok. I do have more ideas that could work, but I'm just trying them out for now.
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Yes, it was implied that the AVIs I upload on archive.org are the official ones. Which is why I could upload so few, as I already said elsewhere, I'm having troubles to get those AVIs in the first place :\ As of today, I uploaded approximately 50 AVIs on archive.org, I'll see if I can keep them coming; fractalwizz, I hope you're going to help ;)
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Derakon wrote:
It's a good goal, but as noted, the best way to do this is to provide more ways to download the official AVIs, not to add new unofficial ones.
Especially given the amount of work and expertise that is poured into making those AVIs in order to get the best possible quality/size ratio. I don't want to offend the original poster, but it's way too usual for people to just create videos with whatever default settings they feel like using, resulting in either humongous files, or alternatively videos that look like absolute crap. It's like they don't care, or they for some reason thought it doesn't really matter. Or they think that the "quality" slider (or whatever the particular encoding software is offering) is the only thing that can be fine-tuned when creating a video. These are not jpeg images; they are much more complicated.
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Well I just wasn't sure how to set the bitrate in FCEUX 2.02. Or would you need to do that in Virtualdub?
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Is there a list of files that are not on archives.org ? And who am I supposed to tell when I have uploaded a video on archives.org ?
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ZeXr0 wrote:
Is there a list of files that are not on archives.org ? And who am I supposed to tell when I have uploaded a video on archives.org ?
Hi. You can PM me a link to the AVI and a link to the movie page that it goes with and I will update it for you.
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It would be a nice idea in the futur to add the submission number to the files. I'm currently uploading 232 nes videos. Maybe you'll find a way to link everything to it's submission.
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There ya go, I uploaded the files I had for NES http://www.archive.org/details/TASVideos_Nes If someone could take a look and update the submission with the movies that would be nice. If someone does it, I'll upload the SNES files I have which are every current submission.
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Wow, that's a lot of uploaded runs :D I'll get to work on adding them to NES titles beginning with A-D. If any other editors wish to participate, I would advise E-H to speed things up a bit. Edit: Titles A-D have been added. Any titles missing archive links are due to them not having an archive equivalent... if that makes sense...
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Then If you are at work, I'll upload the current SNES submissions. It will be available in 2-3 days.