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Posted: 1/6/2010 4:18 AM
(Edited: 1/27/2010 2:25 PM)

Post subject: Lucky TAS of 2009 - Winner announced!

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We have a winner! Shining Force is the Lucky TAS of 2009 Final vote results: Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow "100% Souls" 15 Shining Force 19 ---- We will now have a 6 day final run off poll of the top 2: Shining Force & Aria of Sorrow "All Souls" Initial vote results: Aria of Sorrow "100% souls" 26 Breath of Fire II 2 Phantasy Star IV 0 Shining Force 17 Romancing SaGa 6 --- The nomination process is over. Due to the number of nominations we will do a poll for 7 days with everybody's nomination. Then we will do a run off vote for the top 2. The nominees: [1428] Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow (USA) "100% souls" by Kriole in 28:01.58 [1418] SNES Breath of Fire II (USA) by janus in 4:53:48.98 [1420] Genesis Phantasy Star IV (USA) by janus in 1:35:58.8 [1312] Genesis Shining Force (USA) by DarkKobold in 1:59:59.05 [1397] SNES Romancing SaGa (JPN v1.0) by knbnitkr in 02:14.77 Now go vote! ---- Nominate the TAS you think most deserves the Lucky TAS award. (Lucky in this case refers to luck manipulation) Nominations will be 7 days, after which this will be turned into a poll with the nominated authors.

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Posted: 1/6/2010 4:19 AM

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Aria of Sorrow "all souls".

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Posted: 1/6/2010 4:20 AM

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Gonna be hard to argue with Kriole's 100% Aria of Sorrow run.

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Posted: 1/6/2010 4:52 AM

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Aria of Sorrow all-souls.

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Posted: 1/6/2010 4:09 PM

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I think that the Breath of Fire II TAS have heavy luck manipulation, aswell the Aria of Sorrow "all souls" too.

Posted: 1/6/2010 10:27 PM

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I also think Genesis Phantasy Star IV (USA) by janus in 1:35:58.8 ought to get a shot at this one. The luck manipulation wasn't perfect or approached mathematically like Shining Force has been in the past, but it avoids all encounters and beats enemies at ridiculously low levels. EDIT: Heh, I forgot there was a Shining Force update this year too. Seems weird for same author/same game from a previous year to be in this, but it's definitely lucky! Genesis Shining Force (USA) by DarkKobold in 1:59:59.05.

Posted: 1/7/2010 9:30 AM

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You all forgot this one: SNES Romancing SaGa (JPN v1.0) in 02:14.77 by T.M. (aka. knbnitkr) According to the submission comments, the author was lucky enough to beat a RPG in about 2 minutes.

<klmz> it reminds me of that people used to keep quoting adelikat's IRC statements in the old good days <adelikat> no doubt <adelikat> klmz, they still do

Posted: 1/7/2010 6:35 PM

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Shining Force 1 by DarkKobold

Posted: 1/13/2010 8:48 PM

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Thirding Shining Force.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:10 AM

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Voted for Aria of Sorrow because the luck manipulation was insane.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 11:35 AM

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AoS, obviously. Manipulating more than a hundred drops is really something that deserves an award.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 11:39 AM
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Shinning Force, its a 2 hours long tas, and played by a lua bot (that does manipulate luck), to me AoS look ridiculous in term of luck manipulation compared to that, as in, not impressive at all.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 11:39 AM

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this is NOT the Best Lua Bot Award. this is the No-Life TASer Award.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 12:14 PM

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pirate_sephiroth wrote:

this is the No-Life TASer Award.

Yeah well i can easly tell it took way more efforts/time to bot up shinning force than dropping all souls.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:30 PM

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I voted for All-Souls, the reason it took so many years to make was from the the ridiculous luck manipulation needed. And Kriole did it in impressive fashion.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:40 PM

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Aria of Sorrow, because it was hella impressive even without bots.

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Posted: 1/15/2010 6:27 AM

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All Souls 4tw. Mind you, I do NOT agree with PS's statement about this being the No-Life TASer award. Joking or not.. Mr. Kelly R. Flewin

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Posted: 1/15/2010 6:30 AM

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Shining Force is more Chess then RPG. Hence, my vote for it. So why is it losing?

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Posted: 1/16/2010 10:49 PM

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No offense here, but you guys lack consistency. Comparisons in fastism: 2009's: [1428] Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow (USA) "100% souls" by Kriole in 28:01.58 vs [1397] SNES Romancing SaGa (JPN v1.0) by knbnitkr in 02:14.77 (others probably wouldn't have nominated this run) 2008's: 1145 Genesis King's Bounty in 00:09.93 by gia & Aqfaq vs 1227 NES Wizardry - Proving Grounds of the Mad Overloard by TaoTao in 00:45.82 Comparisons in botism: 2009's: [1428] Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow (USA) "100% souls" by Kriole in 28:01.58 vs [1312] Genesis Shining Force (USA) by DarkKobold in 1:59:59.05 2008's: 1145 Genesis King's Bounty in 00:09.93 by gia & Aqfaq vs Some runs we forgot to (or decided not to) nominate at all because they were not made with bots

<klmz> it reminds me of that people used to keep quoting adelikat's IRC statements in the old good days <adelikat> no doubt <adelikat> klmz, they still do

Posted: 1/17/2010 7:35 PM

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It is true that there isn't much consistency here. The thing is, I feel that the luck in AoS is very obvious and visually impressive to people who don't know the game, whereas it's not as sensational in Shining Force for those who haven't played it.

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Posted: 1/21/2010 4:31 PM

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Bump for final vote. I voted for Shining Force. All Souls is an impressive feat with the random drops. However, Shining Force is the most brutal on that poor RNG. The luck manipulation done is off the carts.

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Posted: 1/21/2010 6:59 PM

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Which TAS do you think manipulated luck the best in 2009?

The question is specially questionable for this category: man vs. bot? The bot won last time. Thus this time we shall balance light and darkness.

<klmz> it reminds me of that people used to keep quoting adelikat's IRC statements in the old good days <adelikat> no doubt <adelikat> klmz, they still do

Posted: 1/27/2010 2:34 PM

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The votes have ended and we have a winner: Shining Force. Congratulations to DarkKobold!

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Posted: 1/28/2010 8:26 PM

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pirate_sephiroth wrote:

this is NOT the Best Lua Bot Award.

That gave me the idea that maybe we should have a separate award for the heaviest use of bots or other programmed tools which automate the creation of the TAS as much as possible? After all, the use of scripts and other tas-by-programming has been clearly on the increase during the past years.

Posted: 1/28/2010 8:57 PM

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I agree with Warp (whoa, never thought I'd say that.) I think, instead of being directly attached to a published TAS, it should be independent. I.E. best Lua Coder of the Year, or best Lua Script of the Year. The best Lua script might have a caveat of requiring posting to TAStools. That would encourage open source sharing of Lua Scripts!

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