Can Olaf switch his shield quickly two times carrying Erik/Baleog without causing him/them to fall from the shield?
I've watched all of the last two worlds twice in slow-motion now and I still can't think of anything. :/
That music is midly lunatizing.
What do you have left to do now, hex-editing and redoing-wise?
Does the things you discovered with the antigravity fields change anything in the first couple of levels?
Improved level 1 by 30 frames compared to the current published run.
The thing is that the last guy is always the most important, because he determines when the level ends, so to save time, it is best to make the last guy come as fast as possible, even if it makes the other guys come slower. This should be optimal first level:
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/453339673/LostVikingsLevel1.gmv
Even though Ouzo's run is old, it is ahead of its time with the 3 players. It is a well done TAS, but can be improved a lot, because the game is absolutely awesome and a great challenge for any TASer.A lot has been happening on the Viking front. I'll try to outline it here so if there's anyone who wants to get into this game, they can be up on current knowledge more effectively. Miketheviewer has been very active breaking the game repeatedly, and I've done my share applying it to human speedruns, finding setups, etc. Yagamoth has also helped some, though he has other projects on his back right now. First, there's a new core movement technique called Erik-launching. When you start a headbash with Erik using Y, then immediately switch to another Viking (1-player) or switch the camera to the other controller (2-player, done with L+R), Erik will continue moving through the remainder of his headbash cycle, meaning he moves a decent distance without needing to be controlled. You can get extra free distance with him like this. Generally, collisions are not detected for objects offscreen. There are exceptions, even within the same object type (some electrical fields will kill offscreen, some won't), but even walls aren't invincible. To abuse this, you need some form of automated movement - a fall, a spring, Erik's launch, inflation, an elevator, etc. This creates the following exploits: - Electrical fields can often be passed through. - Fans will not blow you into spikes, unless you were already in the wind. - Due to his speed and the launching described above, Erik can pass through block doors, such as the ones seen in CMB0 and TRPD. - Enemies will almost never hurt someone while they're offscreen. - Items can be duplicated, provided you switch away from the relevant Viking at the right time. Room for error varies, but is never more than a half-block wide. The current human route only duplicates keys. Pause-buffering can help with many of the tricks in this game. Both Start and Select work for this, but I recommend Select because Start can end the level if you press Left in your buffer, and Select doesn't block part of the screen. The D-pad, Y, and shoulder buttons can all be buffered, and you can buffer as many inputs as you like. In 2-player, you can use both Select buttons to rapidly re-buffer to advance a few frames. If you buffer left/right plus a shoulder button, the Viking who paused the game will move exactly one pixel. Yagamoth found that Erik's fall speed is decreased while holding the B button. This is of course familiar to avid players in antigravity fields, but also holds true outside them, and can slightly lengthen a jump. When you attempt to open a keyhole with a key, your collision disappears for a moment, preventing fall damage, and allowing you to fall through key-activated floors, assuming you can set up a fall that would collide with the floor - with a jump, spring, or higher ledge. The key doesn't have to match the keyhole - in fact it's preferable that it doesn't. Miketheviewer calculated the load time difference between SNES and DOS versions, and it totals 2 minutes, 36 seconds (or 2:38, Mike can correct me, I can never remember which). For deciding the world record, I recommend making the conversion - though my current record is ahead of Chansey, the next fastest runner, with or without the conversion. The only other difference I have seen so far is that the screen is four blocks wider on DOS, forcing a few minor route changes due to onscreening of some things that would be offscreen on SNES. That difference doesn't seem to cause a significant advantage or disadvantage based on version - in fact, sometimes it helps, and sometimes it hurts, and it's negligible either way. Current record is 1:02:58 by me, 2-player. I currently need to incorporate some minor route changes, learn to do the new Erik-launch practically everywhere, and move closer to deathless. After that, the "switch-staggering" I mentioned in an earlier post will be the only remaining hurdle... unless Mike keeps finding new things. Here's my run video. Link to video
Announcement: Hi guys! I decided to pick up this project. I spent last few weeks with testing and planning new routes. A lot of things can be improved, according with my rough calculations i can save at least 9000 frames over published movie. So sooner or later you will see new Lost Vikings TAS. Now it only matter of time. Though, it definitely will take a lot of time. I guess about half of year. So be patient. End of announcement. P.S. I am big fan of old TAS by Ouzo. About six year earlier, when i saw his wonderful work in first time, i have experienced truly indelible impression. Thank you very much Ouzo! But now is time to improve this masterpiece. Wish me good luck at this long and difficult journey.
