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Posted: 12/20/2006 8:56 PM
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Macman
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*grabs bat* Oh, and thanks for the stream!
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:26 PM
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Zurreco
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Sandbag wrote:
There's too many possibilities for Super Smash Bros. not to be published. I think the run needs use a variety of ideas from character abilities, item usage, combinations, CPU suicides, CPU's killing CPU's, program glitches etc.
That was, essentially, what comicalflop's run was. Maybe SSB just isn't a good game to TAS, since it will either be entertaining but terribly slow or fast but terribly boring. Attempting to find a middle ground in there proved to be even worse than the two extremes.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:56 PM
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Cheap kills/suicides is not really my idea of entertainment. Some of the things going around my head (select Fox) Stage 1: Kill Link quickly using combinations (Is ther e a shield spike somewhere?) Stage 2: Use a variety of throws, (does shield attacks work on very hard?) Use an item at the end (PokEball or Home Run Bat) Stage 3: Perhaps an Arwing KO, but before that, Humiliate fox by dodging his laser fire & smash moves while pummeling him, then set up a smash/arwing combo Stage 4: Complete AFAP (As fast as possible) Stage 5: I hate this stage. Partner does nothing. Since this stage has bumpers, use the bumper item for a KO. Stage 6: Either kill pikachu quickly or use a smash/bomb combo. I'll continue this later. I think the goal of the run should be to avoid repetitive strategy and use a variety of attacks as well as using items.
Posted: 12/21/2006 12:02 AM
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Zurreco
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That sounds both slow and boring, in my opinion. If it's about speed, make it fast. If it's about points, rack em up. If it's about "entertainment," you'll always run in to a slew of people saying that your run is not entertaining. As many have said before, SSB just doesn't seem to be suitable for this site.
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Posted: 12/21/2006 12:25 AM
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Comicalflop
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Sandbag: antd is doing fastest Fox, and has much better/more entertaining techniques that those. he has WIPs of his run on youtube, PM me if you want a link. to everyone: In order to find one final solution for a pure entertainment, acceptable run, I'm going to bring up Baxter's (4thish time quoted) idea and make a revision to it: Baxter wrote: For me, the perfect movie of this game would: - Get all secret characters (this means playing the main game three times, if I'm not mistaken) - Once, beat very hard as fast as possible. - Once, go for highest score, get pacifist on all stages (exept for master hand) if possible) - Once, just go for entertainment, and show off stuff Then, 3 characters are unlocked, and the movie should continue on getting record times on break the targets. this will unlock the last character, and you can make record times on break the targets for everyone. Finally, make records for every character on board the platforms... the stop the movie. If all speed/score goals were thrown out of the roof, and pure entertainment by juggling all opponents to kill them the way the game intended (in a fast manner of course, but not as fast as the Fox/Kirby deaths) by racking up insane amounts of %damage and then a killing combo/blow to send themc lear out of the arena for the first 3 playings of games, and then beat the world records for all bonuses, and then as a final addendum take on of antd's concept demos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71yUbTsR54E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ymnabzRLI&mode=related&search= (1 handicapped character vs. 3 lvl 9 CPU's) and apply it to the last 9 characters that didn't play through the game, in order to show every single character A) beat a bonus and B) fight against oppponents. This might make it way longer, but I feel it would be complete and would be a pure entertainment run. thoughts? anyone want to consider doing this? (TASing SSB is not that difficult actually, I'm sure antd and I can teach someone)
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Posted: 12/21/2006 12:29 AM
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thegreginator
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I think antd's pure speed run (so far) was very entertaining and had a real shot at being published. It is vert well optimized and is more exciting than comicalflop's run IMO. Just look at his Pikachu fight. Antd, you're almost done, you should fninsh this run up and submit it.
Posted: 12/21/2006 7:28 AM
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Sandbag
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If antd's finishing up his attempt in a few days, then I've got no reason to stick around. But I would like an entertainment run where Fox whacks someone with the Home Run Bat.
Posted: 12/21/2006 7:38 AM
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Comicalflop
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as I mentioned to you, don't let someone else's work make you leave. you could consider Baxter's full run idea, or there are plenty of other N64 games that you could try out.
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Posted: 12/22/2006 12:47 AM
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If anyone's going to attempt an entertainment run soon, here's a few suggestions Use a variety of KO's and avoid repetition when necessary Use a few items for KO's (bumpers, PokEballs, Star Rod *use that against Kirby* Bom-ombs, mines) If you're using Mario, consider the turtle shell glitch (spin attack with a green turtle shell, temporarly freezing the game and causing 999% damage) Have CPU's kill CPU's and perhaps try killing 3 CPU's at once Most importantly, I want to see someone whacked with the home run bat. [^ ^]
Posted: 12/22/2006 12:50 AM
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The turtle shell glitch only works in training mode.
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Posted: 12/22/2006 1:32 AM
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Comicalflop
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and only with 5 shells. (although if you time it right, 5 red shells can instantly bring you both to 999% damage. hehe.) But besides that, you've got it right. following Baxter's idea, and possibly my addendum to have 9 short vs. 3 lvl 9 CPU fights in order to show everything that you can do with the game, with all the characters. Anyone up to it? I'm booked with JFG and I'm not sure if antd going to do more SSB if he finishes fastest Fox run. it's an easy game to TAS compared to many others, it only takes creativity and a good knowledge of the game to produce the insane combos and fighting techniques that antd has in his concept demos. be sure to watch these for how to make many impressive combos or fight against 3 lvl 9 CPUs, . And of course, possess a very strong sense of originality and the gusto/skill to keep every fight different for pure entertainment.
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Posted: 12/22/2006 10:03 AM
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Sandbag
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What does Truncated and adelikat think about Baxter's idea and about the opinion of the Fox fastest time run?
Posted: 12/24/2006 6:42 PM
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antd
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"entertainment" runs are accepted? There will be no clear goal... Oh and remember some characters are not so good for TAS =) Samus especially. I will finish Fox fastest time run but I am very busy these days. I am especially busy until February.
Posted: 12/24/2006 8:47 PM
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Sandbag
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Anyone willing to take on the Super Smash Bros. 100% speed/entertainment/high score run? No ninjas, please. We need someone that can throw turtle shells.
Posted: 12/24/2006 9:14 PM
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Posted: 12/24/2006 9:45 PM
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what's a 100% run of smash bros?
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Posted: 12/24/2006 10:03 PM
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I think they mean unlock everything, complete the game with every character and perfect BtP/BtT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V69OytR77JY Merry Christmas.
Posted: 12/25/2006 1:49 AM
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Comicalflop
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haha that was beatiful. and crazy fast. interestingly, all these demo videos that you make and post at youtube (I've seen them all) convince me that you'd be best for this 100% entertainment run. something to consider.
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Posted: 12/25/2006 5:01 AM
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I agree with what Baxter said about what a perfect game would be. Can you unlock two characters with one run through of adventure mode or can you only get one at a time? If it's one at a time then this is how it should probably be done. Not in a set order: 1. Beat the game on very hard as fast as possible to unlock Captain Falcon. 2. Beat the game on normal with highest possible score to unlock Ness 3. Beat the game on easy/very easy as entertaining as possible to unlock Jigglypuff. (If it is easier to get higher scores or more entertainment or fastest speeds on different modes, then change goals accordingly. I'm not too familiar with this game, outside of playing for fun, so I don't know.) It would be entertaining if a different character is used for each mode to avoid any repetetiveness. 4. Get fastest possible times for all characters on break the targets and unlock Luigi. 5. Get fastest possible times for all characters on board the platforms. One of the first three should go last so there can be a definite, non-debatable ending time. (last hit on Master Hand?) I think that would be the perfect run for this game. It unlocks all of the characters, as well as completing all of the practice stages and completing adventure mode with 3 different methods. I wouldn't ever do this, 1) because I am not skilled at this game at all and 2) because I don't feel like downloading and dealing with mupen. antd seems like he would be perfect for the job.
Posted: 12/25/2006 5:59 AM
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if one of the first three is last, then you can't do the BtP and BtT with everyone. the final event would just be seeing sound test unlocked or something. edit: VVVVVVV - 50 VS battles? I thought it was 200. and No Contest ones count. so yeah that would be boring and probably shouldn't be part of the run
Posted: 12/25/2006 6:03 AM
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skaMastaG's comments are in quotes. Mine are those small star things. "1. Beat the game on very hard as fast as possible to unlock Captain Falcon." *I think the game pits you against Ness before Falcon in Normal or harder.* "2. Beat the game on normal with highest possible score to unlock Ness" *VERY HARD has a higher bonus than Normal* "3. Beat the game on easy/very easy as entertaining as possible to unlock Jigglypuff." *I think very easy could be for speed and VERY HARD for entertainment* "4. Get fastest possible times for all characters on break the targets and unlock Luigi. 5. Get fastest possible times for all characters on board the platforms. " *Is the option unlocked the moment the last requirement is completed or when the unlock menu appears? That will determine when to reset* "I think that would be the perfect run for this game. It unlocks all of the characters, as well as completing all of the practice stages and completing adventure mode with 3 different methods." *The only omission is the 50 vs. battles required to unlock the extra course. Since that takes forever, mabye a pre-defined save of 49 vs. battles may need to be considered and the 50th vs. battle ran for pure entertainment.* I'm slightly more skilled on Super Smash Bros, but I have no experience in TAS's, so naturally I'm reluctant to work on this run. Baxter is currently trying to complete 4 Mega Man games at once, so he's 4 times more than unavailable at this time.
Posted: 12/25/2006 11:09 AM
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I wont be making anything for this site now. There are too many idiots who make comments about things they don't know. Late for Christmas Party O.O
Posted: 12/25/2006 3:25 PM
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There's always idiots running around here, not knowing what they're talking about. Get used to it, antd. If you complete the Fox SSB run and it gets accepted, you're instantly a hero on this site.
Posted: 12/25/2006 6:11 PM
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Brushy
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Sandbag wrote:
If you complete the Fox SSB run and it gets accepted, you're instantly a hero on this site.
Why is that?
antd wrote:
There are too many idiots who make comments about things they don't know.
The people who voted against Comicalflop's submission were mostly people who have been here for long and know a lot about entertaining TASes. Those people are idiots?
Posted: 12/25/2006 6:30 PM
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I did not mention ComicalFlop and my comment was not aimed at his run or the comments about his run. This is a great example of someone commenting on something they know nothing about. I'm more or less done here. Good luck to the person who does the "100% run". =)
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