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Posted: 3/28/2007 6:39 AM
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gocha
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Joined: 6/21/2006
Posts: 401
Location: Japan, Nagoya
Up to Lottery in Level 2 After all I used Japanese ROM. I'll port the run to USA version manually if it will be rejected. My run is 404 frames shorter than zidanax's run, but actually it's faster only about 30 frames or less. Thousands of rerecords taught me that getting sandals first seems to be somewhat slower. I changed the route in level 2. I tested all 3 routes and find that the route which current published run used is the slowest. I noticed that unfortunately lottery glitch cannot be used in USA version. So I'm wondering if I may use the glitch in the run.
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Posted: 3/29/2007 10:11 PM
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gocha
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Location: Japan, Nagoya
Up to Lottery in Level 2 (v2) -- AVI YouTube It's about 100 frames faster than previous WIP. Faster boss fight, faster buying at store, and slight optimizations. Changing route saves over 400 frames from DK and Yeoj's WIP. I used lottery glitch (いー０) which cannot be used in USA version. This makes the run more entertaining, also this is not a big time saver. So, I'll try the difficult battle with stage 2 boss.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 10:42 PM
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Crono
Joined: 3/17/2007
Posts: 4
Hi =), well i saw your WIP and they are far better than mine, i'm on World 5 now. I still haven't upload the .smw file, but i have them on youtube. Here is the Level 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i0s_jPpok0 After watching it, i think that is faster to take the secret cave on the house and then just continue, i haven't tried it though, but the old TAS was without shortcuts, so i realize that the cave would brake the rules =P. And here is my Level 2 TAS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av-O7IARdDk I think the boss is quite good, but is can be done faster probably, any ideas?
Posted: 2/17/2008 4:04 PM
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zggzdydp
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Joined: 9/15/2006
Posts: 165
Location: China
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I'm working on the game. Now I'm at the end of stage 4. I want to manipulate the cat to level-up weapon, however, it always made error, see my wip. This is a state of the movie, it plays fine if load it. Quite strange, could anyone tell me how to fix the problem?
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Posted: 2/17/2008 11:55 PM
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Schnretzl
Joined: 5/17/2007
Posts: 48
The other movies I've seen of the game skip past all of the random upgrades in that passageway. Perhaps it's because you get a desync if you hit one of them? It probably also causes some unnecessary lag. Also, while I know there is a bug you can use to cancel part of the level 3 weapon animation, you may not be able to go as fast even if you do use it. Why exactly do you want to get a weapon levelup there anyway?
Posted: 2/18/2008 8:12 AM
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zggzdydp
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I think boss fight would be a little faster if use level 2 weapon, and it looks cooler which manipulate cat there. :D But, maybe you are right, because of lag causing.
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Posted: 2/18/2008 2:13 PM
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Schnretzl
Joined: 5/17/2007
Posts: 48
Ah, I had forgotten about the deaths you had just taken which would downgrade your weapon. For that particular boss, perhaps you should just stick to coins/throwing stars. Or maybe you could find a way to manipulate it such that you get cats from a playthrough of the entire movie, but not that particular savestate.
Posted: 2/18/2008 11:26 PM
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gocha
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Posts: 401
Location: Japan, Nagoya
Nice WIP, zggzdydp! Stage 2 boss fight may be better than mine! You can improve your run though, see my old WIP (TestRun, maybe). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjhCjx37ZAc (stage 1-2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVqPn2BW_Y (stage 3-5) http://www.mediafire.com/?dx4l0vb2mb5 (avi h264 60fps) http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1015097393/ganbaregoemon-tas-gocha-1.43-old-wip.smv (needs Ganbare Goemon J V1.2 ROM) Though Lottery いー０ glitch works with J version only, any other glitches should also work with USA version. And yes, Snes9x 1.43 desyncs often with the game. I don't know if 1.51 (improvement) has a problem like that. Edit: Hex-editing would help you when it desyncd :) Note: I still wish the run of the game would be finished with J version ;) Current Watch for Ganbare Goemon J V1.2 
[ganbare goemon]

7E0078,2u,Counter
7E008E,1u,Event Counter
7E0068,2b,Disable Moving
7E0072,2b,Fading Screen
7E00E2,2b,Entering Field
7E1D70,2u,Talk Flag #1
7E1D9C,2u,Talk Flag #2
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7E17D4,2x,Camera X
7E17E4,2x,Camera Y
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7E1AAC,3x,Gold       (1P)
7E0568,2x,X Pos      (1P)
7E056C,2x,Y Pos +Z   (1P)
7E056E,2x,Y Pos -Z   (1P)
;7E0580,2s,X Speed?   (1P)
;7E0582,2x,? Speed?   (1P)
;7E0584,2s,Y Speed?   (1P)
7E057A,1u,Invincible (1P)
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7E1B5C,3x,Gold       (2P)
7E05C8,2x,X Pos      (2P)
7E05CC,2x,Y Pos +Z   (2P)
7E05CE,2x,Y Pos -Z   (2P)
7E062A,1u,Invincible (2P)
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7E15BE,2u,Cat       8/
7E1618,2u,Makimono  5/
;7E1616,2u,100 Ryo  16/
;----
;7E0094,2x,Random Number
;7E003A,2x,Count for Rnd
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Posted: 2/19/2008 3:16 AM
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zggzdydp
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Location: China
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Cool glitch! You had much shortened the though. Can't the glitch work in stage 1 and 2? Or it's not useful in these stages? Death in some stages is timesaver, so I had played lottery and gotten much money to buy lives. But the glitch so magical that you need not to buy something, include pass (and dictionary?). So do you think that it's necessary to play lottery? I think U version is better, because the published movie was made by it, and the forum rule tell us that we should use U version. :)
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Posted: 2/19/2008 2:27 PM
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Schnretzl
Joined: 5/17/2007
Posts: 48
gocha: What exactly is the lottery glitch you've mentioned? Also, can you explain the scroll abuse glitch? I find it very interesting.
Posted: 2/20/2008 12:49 AM
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gocha
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Joined: 6/21/2006
Posts: 401
Location: Japan, Nagoya
http://gocha.is.land.to/page/SNES/Ganbare%20Goemon%20Tricks.html -- written in Japanese, so I'll try to explain some of them in English. Scroll Abuse Glitch When 1-player is holding A or B, both 1-player and 2-player can reach very corner of the screen. This can make a room transition a bit faster. In some cases, you even can skip the most part of the room! When you use the trick with vertical room transition, the players will appear from the left top corner of the room. The trick may work as a shortcut, or it may shut them in the left top corner. Ideas of use: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JojhOqKVsM (horizontal) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by5Aa9Qki6s (vertical) Lottery いー０ (A-0) Glitch (works with JPN ROM only) Choose a consecutive numbers group (tiger or cow), then choose a set quickly as far as you can, and all lotteries will become いー０ (A-0). This makes earning big money easier, though it doesn't save time so much. This trick cannot be used with USA ROM, since the interface of lottery has changed, I guess. Short Tips - Memory addresses between USA and JPN V1.2 are the same as far as I know (JPN V1.0 not). - Attacking or jumping stops the player's moving for 1 frame, generally. Minimizing them is better for fastest completion. - You can cancel attack animation, unless you are using level 3 weapon. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/519179575/mysticalninja-attack.smv - Hitting dish(es) before she throws new dishes may lose time a little (you need to wait more till she throws the dishes, right?). - You can buy sandals faster. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1132433556/mysticalninja-buyfaster.smv - Hyottoko dance (before stage 2 boss) is very laggy. Taking some items for removing lags is faster actually. - You need to buy a dictionary, but you don't need to use it actually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhRaenFLHdg $7E008E indicates when you can back. - Yajirobee quick kill demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlM3iV-1bl0 - You can skip the conversation with Yae http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdEOExWcLpo Finally I liked zggzdydp's run. Though I'd like to see the run of Japanese version, I don't persuade you to use JPN ROM. So keep it going zggzdydp! :)
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Posted: 2/20/2008 4:52 AM
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JRL_
Joined: 9/22/2007
Posts: 56
Location: In UR Famicom
So gocha, will you likely continue your WIP?
Posted: 2/20/2008 5:50 AM
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gocha
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Joined: 6/21/2006
Posts: 401
Location: Japan, Nagoya
JRL_ wrote:
So gocha, will you likely continue your WIP?
Practically no. I'm mainly working on other runs (or emulator development) now. I'm still keeping an eye on the topic though. I'm looking forward to zggzdydp's optimized run. Ganbare!
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Posted: 2/20/2008 2:44 PM
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Schnretzl
Joined: 5/17/2007
Posts: 48
gocha wrote:
- You can cancel attack animation, unless you are using level 3 weapon.
I actually didn't know about that particular way to cancel attack animation, but another (slightly) different one will work with a level 3 weapon. I believe it also works on levels 1 and 2. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1899213044/mysticalninja-attackcancel.smv
Posted: 3/1/2008 3:47 AM
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zggzdydp
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Well, I finished my old WIP, normal route, no scroll abuse glitch. Enjoy if you can, though it needs improvement. I'll try to make a glitch run. Thanks gocha for sharing tricks.
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Posted: 3/3/2008 12:21 AM
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zggzdydp wrote:
Well, I finished my old WIP, normal route, no scroll abuse glitch. Enjoy if you can, though it needs improvement. I'll try to make a glitch run. Thanks gocha for sharing tricks.
Wow, the quadruple coin hit is amazing. I noticed you used a few tricks from our run, and improved on some of them substantially. Good job. Also, I'm pretty sure that moving with piggy-back is slower than normal movement, and should be avoided until the last moment available.
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Posted: 3/3/2008 5:26 AM
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zggzdydp
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Joined: 9/15/2006
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DarkKobold, thanks for watching and pointing out my mistake. I enjoy your run, so I'd like to improve it. :)
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Posted: 7/19/2011 4:20 AM
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Heidman
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Just wondering if an improved 1 player run has been worked on at all. I am working on a speed run for SDA and was wondering if there was some solo play tricks that I would be able to use.
Posted: 1/4/2017 3:14 PM
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Some years ago (2012, I think), I discovered a glitch/timesaver when you power on this game: If you press Start Button of both controllers (1 & 2), on the same frame, you Start this game, skipping the Tittle Screen and some wait before tittle screen, but, your player will be Player 2 instead of Player 1.
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