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Posted: 6/30/2008 4:28 AM
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SwordlessLink
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...Jesus H. Christ. He said be CHANGING THE WAY YOU REACH THE CASTLE. You can EASILY make edits to this without costing time. What part of this don't you understand?
Posted: 6/30/2008 5:13 AM
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I don't do the hex editting, z0MGe does, and he changed the camera and some angles outside the castle and entered the door at the same frame, and he still did his "dance". So is that what you mean by "Changing the way you reach the castle"? Changing the camera or angle? Either way, FODA said that he just changed stuff like speed and angles and placement while going into the pipe and it prevented it, but that isn't working for us.
Posted: 6/30/2008 5:15 AM
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SwordlessLink
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I meant just changing the inputs, like having him slightly more to the right or left during a LJ, or before the door, or something.
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:31 AM
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z0MG, use proper language, do not call people bad things. Swordless, you are clearly frustrated about z0MG and how he allegedly "harassed" you over msn or something, fine, but you do not need to display it here, because you arent helping the case. This topic has amazingly been pretty much clean from personal fights and egoism and we would like to keep it that way.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:05 AM
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I have explained it, at least to SL and RobZ. Also Angerfist there is logs to prove what is SL is saying. The general outline goes like this 1. Research a game for improvements and try to gain further knowledge about the mechanics of the game e.g. movements and luck manipulation. 2. Work 1-2 months solid and submit something you feel is as near as perfect as you can get it with no stone left unturned at the time. 3. Someone finds the odd improvement, however minor, PMs you about it and goes the distance in trying mock you about how feeble an attempt you made at optimizing it and how easy it was for them to improve it. 4. Suddenly because of point number 1 your help is required.
Posted: 6/30/2008 12:31 PM
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Well, maybe if you hadn't consistently harassed both me and Robert over MSN, you would be. But you've blown any chance of that happening, just like you're other half. (SS)
Ditto. Had you added me on MSN to say "we've found a bit of an improvement for a BLJ you did, it might save some time in your run", instead of "we just wanted to tell you...your BLJ sucked (etc)", you'd probably be well past a dance-free Bowser by now. Also, on IRC, we didn't say to just redo the castle stuff. We said to START OVER (from the before the castle stuff).
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Posted: 6/30/2008 2:54 PM
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forget it. i officially don't even care about this argument anymore. esecially now, seeing as anyone who tries to continue this arfument will look like a fag. also, how do you know that you're going in a straight line? does it have something to do with MHS?
Posted: 6/30/2008 3:00 PM
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mapler90210 wrote:
also, how do you know that you're going in a straight line? does it have something to do with MHS?
yes, using MHS is the only way to go in a straight line in midair while changing camera angle, or in courses with automatically rotating camera
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Posted: 6/30/2008 3:10 PM
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When I did the TAS I could manipulate his dance by entering the pipe differently without wasting time, and the changes were made 5 or maybe 10 frames before the pipe->bowser fade out, so entering the castle differently makes no difference, unless if AFTER you get a good manipulation when entering the castle you STILL have to manipulate it upon entering the pipe. Take my TAS and make a savestate before entering the pipe and test it.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 3:49 PM
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This thread is turning into Super Metroid, please discontinue the bickering. I personally read these threads to see if any cool new improvements have been found, not to read people fighting over things which should be done privately. Please respect this community, and it's rules... thank you. (I know this was said by AngerFist, but I found the overuse of the word 'fag' to be disheartening.) - okaygo
Posted: 6/30/2008 4:19 PM
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Would it theoretically be possible to go out of bounds in one stage and then moving into another stage in Super Mario 64? (guess not)
Posted: 6/30/2008 4:22 PM
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not, the stages aren't positioned in a space, they are loaded through code depending on which level you enter.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 4:42 PM
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Posted: 6/30/2008 10:18 PM
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"we've found a bit of an improvement for a BLJ you did, it might save some time in your run" Although I was a complete ass, and i'm sorry for that, you know it was improvable just from SL's 0 star. :P I apologize for what i've said, SL and RobZ. And i'm not asking for you to forgive me, I just know I was a dick when I was "harrassing" you and I should apologize.
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:58 PM
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snorlax
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okaygo wrote:
(I know this was said by AngerFist, but I found the overuse of the word 'fag' to be disheartening.)
I just want to expand on this; it basically shouldn't be used at all. One use would be overuse.
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:19 PM
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Johannes
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Swordless Link wrote:
He said be CHANGING THE WAY YOU REACH THE CASTLE. You can EASILY make edits to this without costing time. What part of this don't you understand?
he didn't say that, RobZ did. and it didn't work.
Swordless Link wrote:
Well, maybe if you hadn't consistently harassed both me and Robert over MSN, you would be. But you've blown any chance of that happening, just like you're other half. (SS)
Well, you're not exactly nice either.. I don't like you as a person, but this rivalry isn't helping anyone and is actually halting progress on our run. If you think I've been rude to you and RobZ, I apologise. I really hope this rivalry can come to an end now, and that you or one of your friends can tell us how to avoid that dance, so we can move on with the run.
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Posted: 7/1/2008 1:49 AM
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Silent_Slayers wrote:
I apologize for what i've said, SL and RobZ. And i'm not asking for you to forgive me, I just know I was a dick when I was "harrassing" you and I should apologize.
If you do apologize, accepted. (that goes for you, not zOMGe, unless he does the same as well) In keeping on topic, the BLJ you saw was made long before SL's 0 star run.
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Posted: 7/1/2008 1:53 AM
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How much time are we talking about here anyway, a second?
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Posted: 7/1/2008 2:12 AM
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Cpadolf wrote:
How much time are we talking about here anyway, a second?
more, definitely.
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Posted: 7/1/2008 2:58 AM
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Funny. SS tries to sort things out, then zOMGe does exactly the same. What are the odds? Apology not accepted.
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:11 AM
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z0MG wrote:
Well, you're not exactly nice either.. I don't like you as a person
What the hell kind of thread did I wander into? z0MG, keep that kind of drama out of these forums and in PMs (forum or IRC), and also, get over it. I don't know how you can still expect any help with that kind of attitude. I'd be pretty disappointed if the next few pages look like what the super metroid thread looked like a few months ago. I believe in SS's sincerity, however.
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:26 AM
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man, people be having forum drama no matter what... LOL at TAS drama. Lucky this isnt the MVC2 scene. MVC2 there's drama and niggas get jumped or start losing thousands of dollars ROFL anyway, as far as the "tricking the game to thinking the first key opens the door to third floor"... surely it wouldnt be difficult to shark it so that you activate a code to automatically set your X, Y, and Z coordinates. (I dunno how to use a memory watcher myself, but I imagine some seasoned TASer (marinated, perhaps) could create the code and just activate it during the open the door scene and see what happens. If it works then you can concentrate on doing it with a BLJ. Maybe you can avoid that all together and just observe when the bit determining lock or unlock changes, cause if it changes the frame you approach the door, it seems unlikely that the trick will work (Or maybe it means you need to get from their to the upstairs in a single frame <_<), if its after the entire animation, maybe its worth investigating.
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Posted: 7/1/2008 3:33 AM
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Swordless Link wrote:
Funny. SS tries to sort things out, then zOMGe does exactly the same. What are the odds? Apology not accepted.
you know, it's one thing when people who aren't a part of an argument pressure for the argument to stop, but when someone who is a part of the argument stops arguing and apologizes, it amazes me that anyone can be so stupid as to keep arguing. it's not even unintentional. you're response to SS's comment is equivalent to saying "i don't wanna." honestly, grow up. this is just stupid. so what if zOMG took SS's lead? in this situation, you should be TRYING to be mature, especially since the ENTIRE opposition is doing that, too.
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:33 AM
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Funny. SS tries to sort things out, then zOMGe does exactly the same. What are the odds? Apology not accepted. If you mean you think we were both on MSN and I told him something along the lines of: "Hey z0MGe, let's both apologize." Then that wasn't the case, I just felt like I needed to apologize and apparently z0MGe copied me. >_> I wasn't even trying to get you guys to tell me how to manipulate bowser out of the apology, it was just the stupidest thing i've ever done making fun of you two like that.
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:35 AM
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you know, it's one thing when people who aren't a part of an argument pressure for the argument to stop, but when someone who is a part of the argument stops arguing and apologizes, it amazes me that anyone can be so stupid as to keep arguing. it's not even unintentional. you're response to SS's comment is equivalent to saying "i don't wanna." honestly, grow up. this is just stupid. so what if zOMG took SS's lead? in this situation, you should be TRYING to be mature, especially since the ENTIRE opposition is doing that, too. I have a better idea. You stay the hell out of things which don't concern you. Then that wasn't the case, I just felt like I needed to apologize and apparently z0MGe copied me. >_> That's what I was implying.
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