Well, after several efforts fizzled over the years, TASVideos finally has a Lemmings submission! Will it be published? You be the judge!
This is SNES 'Mayhem+Sunsoft' Lemmings, completed in 1:03:04.45 (227067 frames). I recorded it using "Snes9X v1.43+ v13 (lua 0.05) for Windows" with the default settings.

Goals:

  1. Completes the game without passwords, starting at 'Mayhem'
  2. As fast as possible, with some lag allowed as a speed-entertainment trade-off
These goals were revised by popular request after the initial submission, with the addition of the 5 Sunsoft levels -- specially designed for this port to be uniquely challenging.
Many believe that the ideal Lemmings run would complete all 120 levels. However, with each level taking, say, 1.5 minutes, that's 3 hours, and many of the levels repeat with subtle differences to increase difficulty as the game progresses. Finally, the game permits starting at 'Mayhem' without a password, so in that sense the game is completed at the highest difficulty level, rather than being incomplete. The result is, I hope, a movie of digestible length, minimal repetition, and a fairly high density of interesting strategies peppered with the occasional unnecessary exploding lemming.
Goal #2 became obvious when I started the run; the shortest possible time requires minimal lag, which requires having no lemmings at all on the screen for large stretches. Not good for entertainment. Thus, I try to minimize 'screen time' for the large blocks of lemmings that cause lag, but allow it if that's where all the action is. In the end, most levels have some of this lag, but there are only a few where it's really noticeable.

TAS'ing Lemmings

My first puzzle game; each level is trivial to beat, of course, since it's a TAS, but planning the use of each lemming type to get as fast as possible is quite a rich challenge. The timing for getting lemmings at the right place at the right time was often quite laborious to optimize, as frequently a bomber might have to be started as long as a minute before they'll actually reach the relevant obstacle.

General Tricks:

Packing: Trapping a bunch of lemmings in as tight a space as possible can often save time because when they're released, there is less time between when the 1st and last lemming clears an obstacle. This is used in most levels.
Bridge stretching: Using multiple builders in rapid succession is used in several places to rapidly clear horizontal spans, i.e. pits.
Going through steel/wrong way arrows: * Bash: Bashing just as a lemming turns around will usually take a small chunk out. When there's only a few pixels of steel remaining, you can just bash through forwards. * Dig: By first building a bridge and digging down from it, it is possible to dig various distances into steel. * Bomb: Bomber lemmings can damage steel if the detonation occurs a sufficient distance away.
Building out of mid-air: when the wall is blown out from under a climber, there are a few frames before he falls in which he can be made a builder; useful in a few levels.
Timely release: Used constantly; one or more lemmings is somehow released at the perfect time so that it reaches an obstacle just as another lemming clears the way. Often used multiple times in a given level.
Use a stopper to force lemmings deep into a wall: If two lemmings are almost on top of each other, turning one into a stopper just as they hit a wall can force the other lemming to walk into the wall, where he can be blown up to take a bigger chunk out than ordinarily possible.

Mayhem Level Comments:

1: Most notable is building up to just under a ledge to reduce the number of building slabs required to get up the large cliffs. I also dig through steel after the 1st cliff in a way that saves a builder and provides a useful timely release. This level was redone at the end to save about 45 seconds in lag and building time.
2: Broken collision detection is on display here. You're not supposed to be able to get the lemmings up past the fire (you're meant to dig through from beneath the exit), but there's just room to avoid getting toasted. Also redone at the end to save about 40s by bridge-stretching and lag reduction.
3-4: Nothing noteworthy.
5: One of my favorite levels in terms of ridiculously precise timing.
6: Turning around on steel by building then digging is used for the 1st time here. GameFAQs said going right is impossible for this level. :)
7: This level is destroyed by digging on just the right frame. This level was meant to be beaten by climbing each pillar and digging all the way down through it.
8: I discovered the tiny lip that the lemmings drop down onto purely by accident, but it saves major time here!
9: Having the two lemmings build toward each other looks bizarre, but serves 2 functions: turning a lemming around so he can build over the obstacle at left (stoppers not available), and providing a path for the lemmings to follow.
10: Yeah, you can go through the friggin' ceiling.
11: Rapid fire diggers!
12: It would've been soooo nice if one could get through the steel right to the exit. Alas...
13: This level is meant to require synchronized action of the 2 lemmings. However, with some precision maneuvers (whose sole purpose is to delay the trailing lemming while the lead lemming builds a bridge), a much faster solution is possible.
14: One of 2 major disappointments in this run. It is VERY close, but just impossible to use diggers/bombers to tunnel under the bowl. Argh!
15: The first multiple entry-point level; TAS's advantages on display, but nothing really to note.
16: Nothing noteworthy.
17: This route is possible because the miner's swing takes out some material above the lemming's head, allowing me to mine upward into the ceiling. One of many levels where there are exactly enough builders/etc to make a strategy work, as if by design...
18: 4 entry points...I think it's safe to say this couldn't be done unassisted...
19: I use a bizarre combo of builders/bomber at the beginning to turn a lemming around w/o a stopper. The bottom lemming ends up building into the upper builder, which turns him around w/o having to walk all the way left.
20: The 2nd major disappointment; despite all the crazy stuff I tried, there just doesn't seem to be a way to beat this level without mining one lemming all the way down and having to wait for him.
21: Annoying "make every lemming a floater" level; a little geometric puzzling gave a somewhat faster route than the obvious one. Also, each lemming is made a floater at a specific time to group them all together, which allows for tighter packing.
22: One of the most fun & difficult levels to make.
23: One of the toughest things to plan in this game is bridge stretching late in a level because it requires the timely release of many lemmings a precise distance apart, as opposed to one big pack of lemmings. All the bizarre builder/stopper stuff at the start is oriented toward making that happen.
24: Trivial.
25: This level is toasted by digging through steel and using bridge stretching. The intended solution is difficult to describe, but involves sending one lemming way ahead, having him turn around and build back to the start.
26: The most difficult level to make due to the difficulty of timing a very limited number of bombers.
27: Two diggers are made into bashers in opposite directions to pack the trailing lemmings for a timely release.
28: I don't know what to say. I went right through SOLID STEEL.
29: If the bridge at the start of this level needed to be one pixel wider it would be impossible to build left at the start; again, as if the designers planned it that way.
30: The grand finale! Tough to synchronize the two sides, but nothing in the way of new tricks/strategies.

Sunsoft Level Comments

1: All about timing the bombers. Setting the release rate above 78 will not make the 4th lemming appear any faster.
2: The limiting factor on this level are the last lemmings from the left entrance. Blowing up the 1st digger lemming lets them start to escape much faster. It may be hard to understand what is going on in this level; basically successive diggers are used to make a staircase for the other lemmings to climb; since the staircase is digging into the ground, though, new diggers need to be added at the right side until all the lemmings are past it, or they'd hit the wall and turn around.
3: Far and away the most difficult level to TAS. The strategy is actually not too different from what the designers intended but MUCH faster because so much is done simultaneously. If the lemmings in the 18 cells don't dig down their individual little icicles, they'll splat. Getting 1 cell per lemming, fast, without running out of diggers, and then packing them while still building the path ahead, was a huge challenge.
4: The intended solution for this level is quite elaborate and involves building ladders amongst the 4 blocks beneath and left of the entrance. My solution is quite un-elaborate, and hinges on a technique for having one builder force another to turn around without using a stopper.
5: Careful design and ruthless resource limitations very nearly forced this level to be solved as intended. What saved it is a bug where bashing just as a lemming hits a wall and turns around takes out a divot *behind* the basher. I use this technique with the first lemming to create a divot in the one-way wall. Without this divot, when the climbers reach this wall, they'd climb up and keep going right, to their deaths; the resulting solution would have been at least a minute longer.

Thanks

Thanks to the dozen or so people who discussed this game in its various platforms and posted WIP's over the years. Also, my wife and baby for letting me TAS while also working 80 hour weeks.

Future Improvements

The most likely levels for improvement are the "great adventure" levels where there's many lemmings, lots of extra builders/etc, and wide/varied terrain to cross. There's so many different ways to beat them, I can't say I found the absolute fastest. Of course, any time a new technique is found, there is also the potential to save large amounts of time.

adelikat: replaced submission file at author's request. New file has 5 additional levels.
Bisqwit: Accepting the submission for publication, and starting to make an AVI.

Skilled player (1637)
Joined: 11/15/2004
Posts: 2202
Location: Killjoy
I'd also like to see the sunsoft levels finished. Regardless, I gave it a 9/9.5. Best movie I've seen in a while.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
Lord_Tom
He/Him
Expert player (3274)
Joined: 5/25/2007
Posts: 399
Location: New England
Ok, that's good enough for me. I will add on the Sunsoft levels as soon as time allows. 2 q's I have: 1. I'll interpret the lemmings falling off the cliff scene at the end of Mayhem as a cut scene and skip it, unless ppl think it should be included. 2. Do I cancel this submission and resubmit later, or just update the file when I'm done? Thanks for all the comments, this run got a MUCH warmer welcome than I'd expected!
Player (120)
Joined: 2/11/2007
Posts: 1522
Yay, now I have an excuse to watch it again!
I make a comic with no image files and you should read it. While there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free. -Eugene Debs
Joined: 1/14/2005
Posts: 216
Downloading the mkv, thanks ShinyDoofy. Unlike others going in, I already expect this to be awesome. Unless I'm wrong as to what this will look like, this is one of the "purest" entertaining TAS's since all of the tricks here, you can do in real-time. Edit: Ok, now that I started watching, I do wish there was a lot more playing with the cursor (to the music, to write stuff, etc) and playing with the skill selection (to make patterns, play primitive cellphone-like songs, etc) but other people would probably detest those so you can't please everyone of course. Lord Tom, *thank you so much*, since the very first day I came upon this site years and years ago, I've probably most wanted to see a Lemmings 1 or 2 TAS. The best part about only following the RSS feed is submissions like these come as a complete surprise for me. :) You also have superb taste in the games you work on since you have Faxanadu and Legacy of the Wizard as well. Not asking you to, but if you did Lemmings 2, it would almost certainly be my favorite TAS on the site -- due to the in-game fast forward button (!) and the fan and some of the skills like superlems. All that plus dancing with the cursor (although I think zsnes but not snes9x supports mouse recording), I don't know if I could take it. :D
Kirkq wrote:
EDIT: Another fun fact: The creator of lemmings also created Grand Theft Auto.
I love historical things like this. I forget all of the best ones but that is one of them. Blizzard also made Lost Vikings and World of Warcraft, that's another good one. Edit: +1 for Sunsoft levels, I was such a Lemmings freak I played any levels I could, including the Prima levels and the Christmas levels and so forth. I'd watch any of those (they're PC though of course), as well as Fun, Tricky, and Taxing too. Maybe in the late 90s someone made a Lemmings clone where you could make your own levels and I just loved that. It got taken down for copyright reasons but I think I still have it somewhere (I had a HD crash last year but I think it survived it). I tried to find it online once and I couldn't do it.
"I think happiness is just being able to loaf without stress." http://speeddemosarchive.com/
Banned User
Joined: 8/2/2008
Posts: 420
Location: italy
Thanks Shinydoofy. I'll add content to this post later. edit: nevermind, I can't view this MKV with any program. Oh well. I'll wait for the final version with the additional levels, hoping for an encode I can actually play :\
Gone.
Joined: 1/14/2005
Posts: 216
Assuming you already know about stuff like Haali's media splitter or MPlayer or VLC, something you might not know is these vorbis in matroska encodes choke on the default vorbis codec, ffvorbis. Select vorbis (the reference codec) instead. For MPlayer, use "-ac vorbis," (comma intentional) Edit: I don't know how this is possible, but I am unbelievably bothered by the fact that Turkish Rondo loops instead of going on to the next section. :( This is truly the musical equivalent of blue balls.
"I think happiness is just being able to loaf without stress." http://speeddemosarchive.com/
Lord_Tom
He/Him
Expert player (3274)
Joined: 5/25/2007
Posts: 399
Location: New England
Ok, added the emulator info to the submission text: Snes9X v1.43+ v13 (lua 0.05) for Windows with the default settings.
Skilled player (1432)
Joined: 7/15/2007
Posts: 1468
Location: Sweden
Enhasa wrote:
I don't know how this is possible, but I am unbelievably bothered by the fact that Turkish Rondo loops instead of going on to the next section. :(
Yeah, I also noted this. Every time it skipped to the beginning it made me cringe... Lucky that it only played in one (two?) level(s).
Agare Bagare Kopparslagare
Joined: 7/2/2007
Posts: 3960
Thanks for the encode, ShinyDoofy! The movie looked good. I think my favorite bit was when the level started, you were managing your lemmings, and then suddenly we started hearing the sound of lemmings dying -- whoops! There's another entrance on the other end of the level!
Pyrel - an open-source rewrite of the Angband roguelike game in Python.
Joined: 7/28/2005
Posts: 339
Enhasa wrote:
I tried to find it online once and I couldn't do it.
Is this what you are looking for?
Editor, Experienced player (730)
Joined: 6/13/2006
Posts: 3300
Location: Massachussetts, USA
I don't find this movie to be interesting in the slightest. 2.3/7.8
Homepage ☣ Retired
Player (147)
Joined: 11/27/2004
Posts: 688
Location: WA State, USA
Somehow I was not bored by the end of the hour, which I found weird considering the run's length and pace. Yes vote. 6.5/8 As far as the Sunsoft levels are concerned, I'd complete them, but only as part of a separate movie. This movie is long enough as it currently is, and a run that only includes those levels might be more digestible for those who were put off by this run's length.
Nach wrote:
I also used to wake up every morning, open my curtains, and see the twin towers. And then one day, wasn't able to anymore, I'll never forget that.
Emulator Coder
Joined: 1/12/2007
Posts: 95
I thought it was entertaining enough to end up on the site. Certainly, the speed-up button was necessary, but it was expected to be in my case. I used 1.43 v15.3(das new one), and it didn't have any trouble.
Joined: 1/14/2005
Posts: 216
Kles wrote:
Enhasa wrote:
I tried to find it online once and I couldn't do it.
Is this what you are looking for?
Yes it is, thanks a bunch. Worth noting though, that there was another version after this one, that fixed one of the later levels that was impossible otherwise. Also, I need to find my copy of the game anyway, because it has all the known released user levels, as well as all the levels I personally created of course.
"I think happiness is just being able to loaf without stress." http://speeddemosarchive.com/
Skilled player (1637)
Joined: 11/15/2004
Posts: 2202
Location: Killjoy
A second video for the Sunsoft levels would probably work. They should be accessible via a password, keeping it from having to be a 'concept demo.' Also, a short movie may entice otherwise attention-impaired people.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
Joined: 3/11/2008
Posts: 583
Location: USA
Lord Tom wrote:
Ok, added the emulator info to the submission text: Snes9X v1.43+ v13 (lua 0.05) for Windows with the default settings.
Also syncs on v15. /throw hat in pile "Sunsoft as new movie". Fun, tricky, taxing, mayhem, sunsoft. Of the music, I like that of "Just a minute"-the open-source public domain music just bothered me mostly. (When they pulled this in DDR...GRAAH) Okay, I liked Curse of the Pharaohs(sp?) too. As for the "Cannot be done unassisted" comment- pausing does not stop the cursor or screen, it only prevents you from designating lems or changing spawn rate, so you can get optimal solutions by sacrificing realtime, if your trigger finger's good enough.
Editor, Active player (296)
Joined: 3/8/2004
Posts: 7469
Location: Arzareth
Lord Tom wrote:
2. Do I cancel this submission and resubmit later, or just update the file when I'm done?
I suggest update file, or if no admin is available on the IRC to work that, cancel + submit.
Joined: 8/23/2008
Posts: 417
I am so psyched to watch this. I played this game as a kid and loved it so much. Will be all over it when I get off work. You know the console port had a multiplayer mode? Good times. I think adding the SunSoft levels to the main submission is the way to go, by the way. A seperate movie isn't a bad idea, but five more levels aren't going to make this run "too boring" either. Anyone who won't enjoy that addition will probably have already shut off the run halfway through. Lemmings, like most puzzle games, is love-or-hate.
I will not use self-reference in my signature.
Lord_Tom
He/Him
Expert player (3274)
Joined: 5/25/2007
Posts: 399
Location: New England
eternaljwh wrote:
As for the "Cannot be done unassisted" comment- pausing does not stop the cursor or screen, it only prevents you from designating lems or changing spawn rate, so you can get optimal solutions by sacrificing realtime, if your trigger finger's good enough.
EDIT: True, if one sacrifices realtime some pretty impressive unassisted stuff would be possible. Though make just one mistake... ;)
XkyRauh
He/Him
Joined: 6/9/2005
Posts: 171
Location: Southern California
This was incredible to watch. As a long-time Lemmings fan, many of the decisions you made were both amazing and humorous. :) I laughed out loud multiple times during the movie--from a simple scoff to a shocked chuckle. Awesome stuff!
Joined: 4/3/2006
Posts: 269
Pretty entertaining run! Of course, that's only if you know what Lemmings is all about. How about making an all-levels run ?
Joined: 7/2/2007
Posts: 3960
That would be a long run. And as noted in the movie description, many of the earlier levels are rehashed several times with minor variations (c.f. Just Dig!). And most of the early levels also aren't very interesting, being mostly a matter of applying the obvious skills in sequence.
Pyrel - an open-source rewrite of the Angband roguelike game in Python.
Joined: 3/11/2008
Posts: 583
Location: USA
Lord Tom wrote:
eternaljwh wrote:
As for the "Cannot be done unassisted" comment- pausing does not stop the cursor or screen, it only prevents you from designating lems or changing spawn rate, so you can get optimal solutions by sacrificing realtime, if your trigger finger's good enough.
Well...I would partially agree. The pause does allow one to position the screen/select tools while the lemmings are stopped, BUT there is no "pause" key...you have to scroll the cursor over and click on the pause button;
What pause button? Start (un)pauses in this game, like so many others for console, so you can unpause with cursor on lemming, designate the job you have selected, repause. This isn't too useful except on those multispawn maps or ones where you don't trust yourself to change jobs fast enough. edit: No, I don't know why it defaults space to start button.
Lord_Tom
He/Him
Expert player (3274)
Joined: 5/25/2007
Posts: 399
Location: New England
Yeah, you're right about how it works...I'm not quite sure what I was thinking with that post...
Active player (423)
Joined: 9/7/2007
Posts: 329
As a big fan of Lemmings, I voted 10/10. I was thoroughly entertained by the alternative methods used to pass off the levels. I never felt the need to fast forward since I love the music, but I had to rewind frequently to see when something was done or how something was done since those moments are easy to miss. I was very impressed with the timing of the lemmings; they would arrive just as they are needed. That must have been a pain to figure out. I agree with a few others that the Sunsoft levels should be appended to this run. There are credits after the Sunsoft levels so it would make this run have a proper ending. Also, the goal of the run would then be "beats the game as quickly as possible without passwords." I also think the cutscene after Mayhem 30 should then be skipped since it is relatively boring and long.