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Posted: 10/27/2009 12:20 PM
Post subject: Things you don't think you'll ever see in a TAS
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Nach
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When we first start watching TASs, and understanding how and why they were made there were a couple things we never thought we'd see, such as dying in a game, which is used in some runs as a shortcut. For particular games, we didn't think a certain technique or item would ever be employed, as it takes too much time, but then someone comes along and finds a way to use it to save time. Lets create a list of techniques/items we don't think we'll ever see being used in a TAS for a popular game, and will be genuinely shocked if someone finds a way to use it effectively. 1) Super Mario Bros. 3 - Using an anchor 2) Super Mario Bros 2 Japan/The Lost Levels - Backwards warp
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Posted: 10/27/2009 12:24 PM
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Noxxa
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3) Mega Man 5 - using Rush Jet over Super Arrow
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:36 PM
Post subject: Re: Things you don't think you'll ever see in a TAS
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Bisqwit
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Thinking outside the box? Mega Man 3-6 ― E capsule Castlevania 2 ― Garlic Arkanoid ― Widener (deep blue capsule) *thinks* Wow, I remember less games than I thought I do. Castlevania ― Dagger Donkey Kong ― Hammer *browses http://tasvideos.org/movies.cgi* Solar Jetman ― Nippon Racing pod Solomon's Key ― Scroll length upgrade Super Mario Bros 2 USA ― Time stopper Final Fantasy IV ― Carrot
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:36 PM
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DaTeL237
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Perfect Dark - Reaper (weapon) (for regular running/gameplay absolutely rubbish.... perhaps for a TAS?)
TASes: [URL=http://tasvideos.org/Movies-298up-Obs.html]Mr. Nutz (SNES), Young Merlin 100% (SNES), Animaniacs 100% (SNES)[/URL]
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:38 PM
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Noxxa
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14) Mega Man 3 and 4: Rush Marine
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:58 PM
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theenglishman
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I remember getting this reaction the first time I saw the long-distance version of the Backwards Long Jump in Super Mario 64 (as opposed to the version used to clip through doors, etc.) I saw the "Mario on steroids" YouTube video that demonstrated but never realized it had speedrunning potential. Boy was I surprised :) If I might plug my own work here, I also had a similar reaction when I discovered the current method I use for Revolver Ocelot in my MGS1 run - I really didn't expect to break the boss that much, especially because canonically the guy is an incredible shot (as in, bouncing bullets off walls to hit you behind cover and stuff) when he's not being a magnificent bastard and resident quadruple-crosser.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:01 PM
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nesrocks
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Ghosts 'n Goblins: using the torch
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:02 PM
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adelikat
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Posted: 10/27/2009 2:32 PM
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Randil
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Only thing I can come up with right now is Shadowgate: throwing key1 in the lake.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 2:45 PM
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nesrocks
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For most games that have a warpzone: beating/glitching levels faster than taking the warp.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 2:47 PM
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fsvgm777
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SMB1 warped run: Using a mushroom. SMB1, SMB2 warped run, SMB2j: Using a star. Thanks to Baxter and Mothrayas for the additional information.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 2:47 PM
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Baxter
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FODA wrote:
For most games that have a warpzone: beating/glitching levels faster than taking the warp.
At NES Arkanoid, it's faster to use the demo glitch than use warps :D
fsvgm777 wrote:
SMB1 warped run: Using a mushroom. SMB1, SMB2, SMB2j, SMB3: Using a star.
Isn't in the no-warp SMB3 run a star used to beat the boss of a castle by just touching it? Edit: If fact... itsn't this done at SMB2(U) also?
http://tasvideos.org/Baxter.html
Posted: 10/27/2009 3:01 PM
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Noxxa
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Coincidentally I watched the warpless SMB2u run today, they do use a few stars in there. And IIRC the warps run of SMB3 uses a star in the final fortress.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Posted: 10/27/2009 3:08 PM
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Cpadolf
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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:04 PM
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Aqfaq
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Super Metroid - Skip intro! King's Bounty - Collect more items to save time! Any game - Press all controller buttons simultaneously to save time!
Posted: 10/27/2009 4:39 PM
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Nach
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Aqfaq wrote:
Any game - Press all controller buttons simultaneously to save time!
That's not exactly something you see... And for certain systems/games that actually resets the game. We see games that reset the game to save time.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:44 PM
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A glitchless 100% Pokemon run :D A complete DWM run.
Posted: 10/27/2009 5:36 PM
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Final Fantasy VII - Knights of the Round Any Soccer Game - Using the U.S. men's national team
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Posted: 10/27/2009 5:41 PM
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Xbox Live / Battle.net / Steam / etc community multiplayer (yeah I know technically it might be possible.... but i don't see it happen?)
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Posted: 10/28/2009 5:56 AM
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Dromiceius
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I doubt anyone will ever make use of any shop in River City Ransom. The Isis Scroll is conceivably useful: it substantially increases throwing power. You even start the game with the requisite $20, so you wouldn't have to waste time gathering coins. The problem is that shopping is so time-consuming that to actually buy an item and use it would take ~40 seconds, for a gain that is probably negligible. Even if there were some way to underflow the money variables and buy Texas Boots or Grand Slam, they still might not be worth getting.
Posted: 10/28/2009 6:15 AM
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I don't see Super Mario Bros. being perfected for as long as HappyLee lives. =P
Posted: 10/30/2009 9:51 AM
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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:37 PM
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An entertaining "Where's Waldo" game.
Posted: 10/31/2009 1:51 AM
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My name as an author.
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I very much agree with this post.
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Posted: 10/31/2009 3:10 AM
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You win. Thread over.
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