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Kyman wrote:
Where does MIPS 2 play into that?
How exactly would you get from DDD room to LLL without opening the star door?
Wouldn't it be less traveling if you went to SSL then LLL then HMC?
Where would secret aquarium play into this? After JRB?
EDIT for sonicpacker: You still need enough stars for MIPS #2!
BBH shouldn't have any effect on MIPS2 or the route of those levels. I said to do it afterwards.
*edit*
Another question would be, is it faster to skip DDD and do BitFS first, or just Side BLJ into DDD first?
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It's faster to blj from HMC to DDD. this is because you can't exit the BitFS room without warping back to the start, then you would have to do the other levels of the basement. If you do the basement levels first, you don't have to backtrack. Since you can't skip DDD from the HMC stairs, It's faster to do DDD first.
Alternatively, you could do the basement levels and then VCUtM, warp back to start and then do the DDD skip.
Okay, then it would be :
Enter the castle
CCM/WF
Either exit course or BLJ from room into PSS (if possible)
PSS (either star)
BLJ into BitDW (get the red coins star, beat bowser)
From BitDW, side blj into PSS
PSS (either star)
ToTWC
CCM/WF
Either exit course or BLJ from room into BoB (if possible)
BoB
BLJ from BoB room to BBH
Go to basement
MIPS #1
SSL
LLL
Toad #1
HMC
BLJ from HMC stairs to DDD
DDD
BitFS (get the red coins star, beat bowser)
VCutM
BLJ into JRB lobby
JRB
Castle secret aquarium
Now this part is subject to change (the first one too :P) :
TTM
Toad #2
THI
SL
BLJ through 50 star door
Castle secret star with the wingcap (can’t remember the name)
TTC
Toad #3
RR
BitS (get the red coins star, beat bowser)
I made my best with this. I can't put MIPS #2 anywhere, sadly.
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You have to do VCutM before DDD.
EDIT: you also have to do VCutM before BBH
Also, considering the time needed to be wasted getting MIPS2, you might want to consider doing JRB without the metal cap.
Route #1:
CCM/WF (7)
PSS (8)
BitDW (9)
PSS (10)
ToTWC (11)
CCM/WF (18)
BoB (25)
BLJ from BoB room to basement
VCUtm (26)
BBH (32)
MIPS #1 (33)
SSL (40)
LLL (47)
Toad #1 (48)
Get two stars in HMC (50)
MIPS #2 (51)
Do the rest of HMC (56)
DDD (62)
BitFS (63)
JRB (70)
SA (71)
(upstairs)
Basically it comes down to the time saved with metal cap in JRB vs. the time lost from going to collect MIPS 2 and going back into HMC
It's faster to blj from HMC to DDD. this is because you can't exit the BitFS room without warping back to the start, then you would have to do the other levels of the basement. If you do the basement levels first, you don't have to backtrack. Since you can't skip DDD from the HMC stairs, It's faster to do DDD first.
Alternatively, you could do the basement levels and then VCUtM, warp back to start and then do the DDD skip.
So if you could, would it be faster to do bitfs first? Cause you can blj to the other stairs and skip DDD by blj'ing on those ones (from HMC stairs to 0-star run stairs to BitFS)
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well, the extra blj uses up about 3 seconds I would imagine, but the time saved by favorable positioning would be only about .5 of a second. I mean, what time is there to save by doing BitFS first? the only time I can see being saved is getting a slightly quicker entry into DDD one time, which you really get anyway, just you don't realise it because the painting is further away.
To tell you the truth, because the 1 star blj is considerably quicker than the 0 star blj, I would say that if you were to do DDD and BitFS separately to the rest of the basement, I would say don't do a 0 star skip, when a faster (albeit technically "slower") blj is available.
Relating to all this DDD or BitFS first, if DDD's first star is cleared, you can blj on the BitFS entrence to exit the room (I think the blj takes some time though, havent tested). Anyway, this would only be the case if we were to go to either first.
Also, it's probably worth testing bljing on the 30 star door stairs in the reverse direction to possibly get to SSL faster. It is possible to get through with a punch, but this threw mario quite off for me. If it's possible to get through the door leading to SSL and have good angles and speed, I'm pretty sure that would be the best way.
Ok, I'm done, now off to take a Final!
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Bob, you've found a solution!
simply go downstairs to VCutM, warp back to start, do DDD and BitFS, the rest of the basement, and then we'd have more than enough stars to get MIPS 2 without backtracking to HMC.
Bob, you've found a solution!
simply go downstairs to VCutM, warp back to start, do DDD and BitFS, the rest of the basement, and then we'd have more than enough stars to get MIPS 2 without backtracking to HMC.
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Cool vid, just wondering what's going on with the star and lives counter? I'm guessing it's some GS/AR codes? if so, did you try with them turned off? it might affect the outcome? (due to frame durations)
(didn't want to ask on youtube, since there it would sound much more like simply being rude than in here :D)
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No. The values were just changed in AVI Capture each frame. It was to show Mario's speed. Doesn't affect anything. And you can't use codes in Mupen anyway.
Solid progress is being made. We now have one good route and 2 stars are pratically done;
"Secret of the haunted books" and "Snowman lost his head".
This run will happen guys, don't worry. ;)
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andymac wrote:
Swordless link: Stay civilised and keep posts on topic. I'm not a mod or anything, but I don't think anyone looks higher on you if you bully people.
It's ok andymac. He has to trash others so he can make himself feel bigger. If that keeps him happy, let it go. :)
On topic: I don't blame them for not releasing WIPs. Say they do 4 stars in 1 week. The next week, people will expect 8 stars to be done. People would expect work to get done at a certain speed. At least that's what I think. And good job on finalizing the route (if that is what Nahoc meant...).
