maybe having light arrows is already enough to trigger the cutscene, but someone once told me, that it doesn't work
GameSharking the Light Arrows into your inventory will trigger the rainbow bridge cutscene if you have the Spirit and Shadow Medallions (although the "Sheik reveals his true form" cutscene will still play if you go to the Temple of Time). So basically, to be able to form the rainbow bridge the game checks for the Light Arrows and the Spirit/Shadow Medallions but doesn't check if the Sheik cutscene has been played yet.
Use this GameShark code, which gives you the Light Arrows, to try it yourself (U 1.0):
8011A654 0012
Activate that code, get the Broken Goron's Sword but don't RBA it until you've gone to the exact spot where the rainbow bridge cutscene triggers. Once you RBA the Broken Goron's Sword, the cutscene will play immediately. After that cutscene, head to the Temple of Time and you'll see the Sheik cutscene.
So couldn't you theoretically RBA the light arrows into your inventory and skip the cutscene altogether, with Shiek revealing his form, going straight to the bridge area? Or, if not RBA into inventory, RBA the Megaton hammer and leave the arrows on B?
For some reason, to me, this still seems overdone...
he only got spirit and shadow, believe me ;)
to make the bridge appear you have to have watched the zelda light arrow cutscene.
maybe having light arrows is already enough to trigger the cutscene, but someone once told me, that it doesn't work
No, you have to have seen the light arrow cutscene. Having light arrows in your inventory does not activate it.
Because you still need the arrows to whack Ganon. Though... I suppose if you somehow RBA the arrows while in the castle, you could simply grab the quiver, the magic and use the bombs from time door-skipping into adult link to hop over. I'm not sure if you can RBA the arrows while in the castle. I suppose it's theoretically possible, however.
There are only two ways to BA Light Arrows:
1. With the pedastol of time - this requires a way to get back through the door of time (meaning Song of Time or Hover Boots/Biggoron's Knife) and Forest Medallion to travel through time (which requires Hookshot).
2. With the Light Arrow cutscene...and if you are there already what's the point.
Now, the first one has way too many extra steps to be useful, and the second one is excessive, since you'll already have LAs from the cutscene. And for a final nail in the coffin, for both of these you'ld need to either get Light Arrows to make a bridge (then why BA?) or the Megaton Hammer in order to ISG (IHG) and bomb hover over (the Fire Temple takes a long time).
Light Arrows any other way then BGS RBA + Cutscene isn't going to happen with the current tricks. End all discussion of it.
To RBA light arrows you'd have to catch light arrows in a bottle. That isn't possible. You can only RBA a bottle (filled or empty) to where the light arrows are supposed to be in your inventory, and that's pointless.
You can glitch them onto your B button (using BA, not RBA), but not into your inventory.
Fairy Ocarina Fairy Ocarina/Ocarina of Time 8011A64B
Ocarina of Time Bombchus 8011A64C
Bombchus Hookshot/Longshot 8011A64D
Hookshot Ice Arrow 8011A64E
Longshot Farore's Wind 8011A64F
Farore's Wind Lens of Truth 8011A651
Boomerang Magic Beans 8011A652
Lens of Truth Megaton Hammer 8011A653
Magic Beans Light Arrow 8011A654
Now according to what I've read of that, if you have Magic Beans on C-right, You'll get the Right Arrows by bottling. To get the Megaton hammer, you'd have to have the Lens of Truth. Now, you could do this through following the list up to the Fairy Ocarina(Unless I'm misunderstanding these items staying in your inventory)
Now if you have bottled for the arrows and bottled for the hammer, even without bottling for the medallions, you could bombhop into Ganon's castle and use the arrow and hammer to finish Ganon.
So at the moment, I imagine it being something of this...
Start
Kokiri Sword
Fairy Ocarina
Bottle
Bottle up for the Arrows starting with Fairy
Bottle up for Megaton
Bottle for Quiver
Bottle for ?
Hop to Ganon's
Skip his Barrier
Whack Ganon
Now that may change, but that seems like something you could do and entirely skip the medallions
You can't bottle light arrows. You can only glitch a bottle to where the light arrows are in your inventory. Same goes for the hammer. RBA by catching a fish with bottle B, having the beans on C-Right and you'll get a bottled fish to where the light arrows are supposed to be in your inventory. Empty the bottle B and you get an empty bottle there. It's pointless. You'd have to catch light arrows in a bottle to RBA light arrows into your inventory.
(Yes, this is me rewording my post above)
Besides, you can't equip beans as an adult. xD
I'm pretty sure RBA and BA are used to their maximal potential currently.
If you want to do some research, you can try figuring out what RBAing with an empty C-Right button does. :p
It modifies a memory address that nobody seems to know what it's used for.
All the RBA stuff we know was brought up be the users of the SDA and TAS communities, not any Nintendo-Guys. So these people exactly know whats possible with RBA and whats not. And since these people worked on the routes, you sure can bet your ass that the current routes are the fastest possible. Unless of course we find a new trick (like odd mushroom early I believe would be).
I think that eventually something will be discovered to glitch light arrows but until then I agree that RBA and BA can't be used until a significant discovery is made. I have a hunch that wrong warping could be used more maybe right into the ganon battle but what do i know
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I have a hunch that wrong warping could be used more maybe right into the ganon battle but what do i know
That is somewhat possible, but not within current limitations of RBA. RBA, contradictory to common is belief it's very restrictive in terms of what you can do.
Never going to happen. Warp song locations aren't dynamic.
Also, afaik empty C-Right is the only RBA address that hasn't been figured out what it's used for. Empty C-Right corresponds to an item with the number 255. That's very far from the other RBA addresses. So it might be an unused byte, and it seems to be, but you never know for sure.
kuwaga, the warp songs are hackable.
the bolero of fire could be hacked with item number 2547 or something like that. sadly there aren't that many items :(
Oh, cool, I didn't know that.
Anyway, here's an old post of mine regarding the empty C-Right byte. Maybe sombeody can finally figure out what it's used for?
Kuwaga (long ago) wrote:
I did some more testings regarding the byte we can reach with RBA and an empty C-Right. It's only 2 bytes away from Water Temple map data (rooms you have already entered before finding the map). And 15 bytes in the other direction is a byte which determines the water level in Water Temple.
So I'm guessing it's just some unimportant byte that has something to do with Water Temple. Or an unused byte because Water Temple needs less space than others, I don't know.
There's still a chance that it has nothing to do with Water Temple, but I'm at least pretty sure that it's temple related.
kuwaga, the warp songs are hackable.
the bolero of fire could be hacked with item number 2547 or something like that. sadly there aren't that many items :(
this reminded me of missingno or even mew in pokemon. Their values (or even simply pokedex numbers) aren't supposed to be know to exist however they can be accessed through glitching/address manipulation or whatever you want to call it. I wish I had more knowledge about this because maybe there is a way to trick the game into thinking we have item 2547 like how you can find missingno by swimming along cinnabar (point being something random like that).
Gets made fun of for still playing his NES and N64
255 is the highest value for items, except if there is an additional severe glitch in the game. You can tell because in memory, it looks like this:
Starting from 8011A638 with no space in between:
8 bits for the item which is on B
8 bits for the item which is on C-Right
8 bits for the item which is on C-Down
8 bits for the item which is on C-Left
The biggest number that can be stored into 8 bits is 255 and there simply isn't more space reserved.
The game can't be glitched into reading a bigger number than that, as it reads out item values only from 8 bits at a time. The surrounding bits don't have an influence.
The items and their corresponding numbers can be looked up [URL=http://tasvideos.org/ZeldaOcarinaOfTimeTricks.html#GettingTheLightArrowsOnB]here[/URL].
Though that list should probably be extended to also contain these numbers, for the sake of completeness.
51 Broken Sword
52 Prescription
53 Eyeball Frog
54 Eyedrops
55 Claim Check
56 Bow/Fire arrows
57 Bow/Ice arrows
58 Bow/Light arrows
The following ones aren't equipable to the C-Buttons [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx5oslAb-A4]except for the Bomb Bag (20)[/URL]. You can RBA keys for the water temple with it.
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This might sound stupid, but is there any other way to hit him when he is stunned with something other than the light arrows? Or a way to simulate the damage dealt by light arrows? Is there any way to read how damage is done to an enemy? Someone figured out how to play the songs without an ocarina... so I don't see why something of that magnitude wouldn't be possible.
I just briefly looked over the links you posted, and the one mentioned about getting light arrows on B:
http://tasvideos.org/ZeldaOcarinaOfTimeTricks.html#GettingTheLightArrowsOnB
Its says you are required to beat the Forest Temple. But, just thinking in my head, wouldn't it be faster to beat FT than it would be to do the whole RBA for getting the 2 medallions and watching the cutscene to get light arrows? I know you can just go straight to the boss once you enter FT, but I'm assuming it means you need to get the bow? If you do need the bow, instead of actually getting it in FT, maybe RBAing for it would be faster? I'm just throwing up many questions so that it can stir some thinking.
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Remember, you would also have to watch the cutscene after it which is quite long. Not only that, but to get to the castle without ISG you would need hover boots which take quite a bit of time to get.
No, however there is a way to skip the cutscene with the odd mushroom timer, but even then you would need to trade up to saw to RBA lullaby and need to get hover boots and all it would skip is getting broken sword and the light arrow cutscene. We did some timing for this a while ago at ZSR and determined it would save about 1 minute, but only if its possible to get to ganons castle with no ISG and no hover boots, which looks very unlikely so far.
Could anyone please hook me up with a save state to try scarecrow/bean skip? Anything with adult link and no water at LH I think would suffice.
Also I need to know how you do the ISG, hovers and mega flip off enemies.
I'm going to try mega flipping from several distances at peak height and then if that doesn't work I throw in a guay which will be tricky but I'm expecting the guay to work, it'll just be very tricky to set up the tekities right so you can hover off them fast enough to get hit the guay before it flies away.
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ZFG wrote:
No, however there is a way to skip the cutscene with the odd mushroom timer, but even then you would need to trade up to saw to RBA lullaby and need to get hover boots and all it would skip is getting broken sword and the light arrow cutscene. We did some timing for this a while ago at ZSR and determined it would save about 1 minute, but only if its possible to get to ganons castle with no ISG and no hover boots, which looks very unlikely so far.
See, the timing that he did could be outdated. Did he use ISS or ESS? He could have still been backwalking for all I know. I still think with recent movement glitches it would be a worthy route to invest the time into analyzing.
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