The End saves 30 seconds against Diablo.
Should it be used anywhere else? Any other limit break executes faster, so it's only useful if you'd need several attacks otherwise.
Remaining Bosses on Disc 1 that can be fought with Selphie:
- President Deling -> Elixir (The End doesn't work against the undead, anyway)
Disc two:
- Robot after the missile base -> Irvine is fast enough
- Raijin, then Fujin and Raijin -> wimps.
- Seifer, again -> on par with his groupies.
- Edea -> should be treated like a lady: renzo.
Disc three:
- undead something -> elixir
- Doc Odine -> Ze doctor iz not your enemy. Bummer.
- Fujin and Raijin -> still wimps.
- security robot -> scrap metal.
no dumbass, that was a renzo!
Disc four:
- Adel with Rinoa-Breastplate: surprisingly, Rinoa would survive that (remember, The End doesn't work against the undead!). It's slower though.
- Several Adel-forms: unless you can skip some forms with The End, it's way too slow.
- Ultimecia's guard dog: no limits available
- Ultimecia: hmm.. maybe against the second or the last form? That would be somewhat anticlimactic..
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Yeah, I thought so. I presume that by disk 2 especially everybody will be strong enough for The End to not be necessary.
It would be nicer to see some good tactics against final form Ultimecia than The End, though.
Can i ask why the square (or is it triangle?...) button is not hold in battles?
This remove the HUD (HP, commands and top status)... making fights _MUCH_ better/entertaining/viewable.
That unless it affect the rng as well ?
To me this is much more important than just what strat you use (the end or whatever), thats realy how a viewer should look at the battle... i mean without all the garbage hp/commands that nobody cares about.
In FF7 it it less important, since it remove _only_ the commands, but since it remove everything here, i think its important.
wow, i didn't know it would be possible to get "the end" so early in the game. i'd like to know how you did it, but i doubt it would make much sense to me.
the only other place where the end is useful is the very last boss (the freak ultimecia). how fitting to use the end at the end of the game :P
i also like seeing stats and commands. removing them would be more boring because RPG TASes are too much like movies already.
wow, i didn't know it would be possible to get "the end" so early in the game. i'd like to know how you did it, but i doubt it would make much sense to me.
the only other place where the end is useful is the very last boss (the freak ultimecia). how fitting to use the end at the end of the game :P
i also like seeing stats and commands. removing them would be more boring because RPG TASes are too much like movies already.
I especially enjoyed that I figured out how to get the end without 'rolling' for it. Note that it comes up as the first spell. If Selphie gains any levels, I may not be able to pull the same trick anyway.
Also, if this FAQ is to be believed, Ultimecia's final form (and earlier?) is invincible to 'The End.' However, after Ultimecia is 'dead', and you just need to trigger the final speech, 'The End' can be used to trigger it, which would be funny, but extremely time intensive, when 1 damage would be enough to trigger it.
Also, I can see places where I use running-away to speed up the end of the battle, which I could remove that "Can't Escape" line, which would look better.
For example, the diablos battle ends an entire second early, due to the run trick. Getting rid of "Can't Escape" during that could clean up the run.
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Remaining Bosses on Disc 1 that can be fought with Selphie:
- President Deling -> Elixir (The End doesn't work against the undead, anyway)
Disc three:
- undead something -> elixir
Any times you run into undead enemies, you can use (with a little luck) a phoenix down. Depends on item availability and usage later. I know for fact GeroGero (Deling's body double) will die to a phoenix down, though last time I fought him, the first one 'missed'.
I don't know if you'd want to save an elixir for later, but I know you can get phoenix downs much easier at item shops. I'm sure it wouldn't take much effort to manipulate a hit with one. It's also considered a life spell, and not 9999 points of healing, so undead with over 10k health should eat it instantly, anyway. (I think)
That bone dragon on the salt flats is annoying as hell, too, if you don't use something to take him out quickly. >_<
Also,
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I especially enjoyed that I figured out how to get the end without 'rolling' for it. Note that it comes up as the first spell. If Selphie gains any levels, I may not be able to pull the same trick anyway.
And how did you get it?
Also, if this FAQ is to be believed, Ultimecia's final form (and earlier?) is invincible to 'The End.' However, after Ultimecia is 'dead', and you just need to trigger the final speech, 'The End' can be used to trigger it, which would be funny, but extremely time intensive, when 1 damage would be enough to trigger it.
Uh either you or I read that guide wrong. It says that all form of Ultimecia are vunerable to "the end".
Actually, it is ridiculously simple. Selphie < ~40 HP (I've not found the magic number yet) hits crisis level 4, at RNG position 179. (The RNG uses a look-up table, so the 180th position in the table.) This rolls a "Tomba-Mod" of 4, which uses set 15 of spells, and picks "The End."
Shorter summary: RNG 179, Selphie < 40 HP, The End.
Slowking wrote:
Uh either you or I read that guide wrong. It says that all form of Ultimecia are vunerable to "the end".
Huh, you were totally right. I biffed that, miss-attribution error. I thought I had read it from that FAQ, but I'm guessing it came from the youtube comments here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL0OOpeSWJU
I'll have to check it out once I get there, for curiosity sake.
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Hm yeah the comments do indeed say that. May be version differences. Square games are notorious for making stuff harder in international and PAL versions.
For exmple making Ruby Weapon imune to KOTR unless you Hades it first in FFVII and adding all the dark Aeons to FFX.
Hm yeah the comments do indeed say that. May be version differences. Square games are notorious for making stuff harder in international and PAL versions.
For exmple making Ruby Weapon imune to KOTR unless you Hades it first in FFVII and adding all the dark Aeons to FFX.
Yeah, Japan doesn't think much of American gamers. See Final Fantasy IV 'Easy Type,' Final Fantasy USA: Mystic Quest, Super Mario Bros USA.
Split Infinity's guide says at the top it is from the PAL version, so it might be.
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Well actually the japanese FF versions are usually just as easy as the US versions. They only ramp up the difficulty for international and PAL for some reason.
I just dumped this table from the RNG - the First Number is the RNG position, and the next 4 are the Crisis Levels, along with the result. Note, this changes if Selphie gains a level.
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Max = 255;
printcards =true;
Cards = {"Geezard","Funguar","BiteBug","RedBat","Blobra","Gayla","Gesper","Fastitocalon-F","BloodSoul","Caterchipillar","Cockatrice",
"Grat","Buel","Mesmerize","GlacialEye","Belhelmel","Thrustaevis","Anacondaur","Creeps","Grendel","Jelleye","GrandMantis","Forbidden",
"Armadodo","Tri-Face","Fastitocalon","SnowLion","Ochu","SAM08G","DeathClaw","Cactuar","Tonberry","AbyssWorm","Turtapod","Vysage","T-Rexaur",
"Bomb","Blitz","Wendigo","Torama","Imp","BlueDragon","Adamantoise","Hexadragon","IronGiant","Behemoth","Chimera","PuPu","Elastoid","GIM47N",
"Malboro","RubyDragon","Elnoyle","TonberryKing","Wedge,Biggs","Fuujin,Raijin","Elvoret","X-ATM092","Granaldo","Gerogero","Iguion","Abadon",
"Trauma","Oilboyle","ShumiTribe","Krysta","Propagator","JumboCactuar","Tri-Point","Gargantua","MobileType8","Sphinxara","Tiamat","BGH251F2",
"RedGiant","Catoblepas","UltimaWeapon","ChubbyChocobo","Angelo","Gilgamesh","MiniMog","Chicobo","Quezacotl","Shiva","Ifrit","Siren","Sacred",
"Minotaur","Carbuncle","Diablos","Leviathan","Odin","Pandemona","Cerberus","Alexander","Phoenix","Bahamut","Doomtrain","Eden","Ward","Kiros",
"Laguna","Selphie","Quistis","Irvine","Zell","Rinoa","Edea","Seifer","Squall"};
X = savestate.create();
savestate.save(X);
pass = false;
c = 0;
while not pass do
savestate.load(X);
for i = 0,c,1 do
emu.frameadvance()
end;
joypad.set(1,{["x"]=true})
for i = 0,20,1 do
emu.frameadvance()
end;
if printcards then
print(string.format("%s %s %s %s %s", Cards[memory.readbyte(0x001A2C48)+1], Cards[memory.readbyte(0x001A2C49)+1],
Cards[memory.readbyte(0x001A2C4A)+1], Cards[memory.readbyte(0x001A2C4B)+1], Cards[memory.readbyte(0x001A2C4C)+1]));
else
print(string.format("%d %d %d %d %d", memory.readbyte(0x001A2C48), memory.readbyte(0x001A2C49), memory.readbyte(0x001A2C4A), memory.readbyte(0x001A2C4B),memory.readbyte(0x001A2C4C)));
end;
if c >= Max then
pass = true;
end;
c = c + 1;
end;
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Is that supposed to manipulate the enemy's card deck in a card battle, i.e. force them to play their rare cards at the earliest frame possible?
/edit: ok, let me ask a slightly less stupid question: are you just using it to manipulate the earliest frame where your rare card is available, or do you think you can speed up the battle by forcing a different pattern? Minimizing the amount of card-flip-animations, minimizing CPU's thinking time, minimizing cursor movements for your own move? Is any of that going to help?
/edit: ok, let me ask a slightly less stupid question: are you just using it to manipulate the earliest frame where your rare card is available, or do you think you can speed up the battle by forcing a different pattern? Minimizing the amount of card-flip-animations, minimizing CPU's thinking time, minimizing cursor movements for your own move? Is any of that going to help?
I think he posted it for the SDA crowd that were looking for card play statistics.
Actually, if I'm reading it correctly it's just saying you what cards the opponent is gonna have if you wait X frames before starting the game, for X going to right away to a 255 frames delay so you'll know on what frame to press X to have the card you want.
Any progress? Or have you grown tired of it for the time being?
No, I'm still actively working on it. The last run got hindered, because I screwed up the initial AP/assigning guardian force learning.
In the interim, I also tried a version that did not get the fish fins. (This run desyncs at some point) The plan was to forgo all extraneous battles up to the XATM092, and then use The End to gain the 50 AP from XATM. (then using Curaga to replace Water for the rest of its use) I was 45 seconds faster going into the Elvorett battle, and 18 seconds faster going into the XATM battle, and 1000 frames slower coming out of it. So, it failed.
I restarted (again), because I realized I could skip getting the cards from the guy in the Garden, saving ~6 seconds, and manipulating everything I needed from enemy drops.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
no dumbass, that was a renzo!
Disc four:
- Adel with Rinoa-Breastplate: surprisingly, Rinoa would survive that (remember, The End doesn't work against the undead!). It's slower though.
- Several Adel-forms: unless you can skip some forms with The End, it's way too slow.
- Ultimecia's guard dog: no limits available
- Ultimecia: hmm.. maybe against the second or the last form? That would be somewhat anticlimactic..
