This topic is for the purpose of discussing #3492: GoddessMaria's GBA Sonic Advance "Knuckles" in 14:59.28

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Great job as expected. Yes vote from me :-)

Great job on the run, GoddessMaria! I'm glad you were motivated to finish the run despite Zeupar not wanting to continue working on it. Yes vote!

Very nice! Knuckles certainly makes a difference. Unlike Sonic this run actually resembles real time play to a certain extent. This was refreshing and it was interesting to see how some of the levels were tackled (especially AI1 and ER). Clear yes vote. The only thing that I thought may be sub-optimal was the Mecha-Knuckles battle. Gliding increases his invincibility and this can be avoided by manipulating him to spindash or do nothing allowing you to hit him earlier. Manipulation opportunities are limited so you are usually forced to take a few glides, but most of the glides I saw in this run should have been avoidable (unless, of course, choosing Knuckles as a character affects the game in this way. I wouldn't know). Also, I'm totally with you on Egg Rocket being a nightmare. I'm pretty close to finishing my new Sonic run, but discovered a mistake early on in ER and so I now need to find some motivation for going through the whole thing again... :(

This does feel like a slower Sonic game when you leave out ultra-spindashes. However, it was still pretty fun. The glitches are the end were awesome. Nice job!

Now, that's one of the better Sonic TASes I've seen recently. Yes vote, and love the category. (Is Knuckles capable of doing ultra-spindashes? If so, you should add something like "does not use ultra-spindashes" to the list of goals.) The glitched sequence in the final world was nicely reminiscent of unassisted glitched speedruns, actually, with all the amount of cautious-looking movement on platforms that weren't properly solid. TAS categories should require more of that sort of thing.

thoroughly enjoyable. Yes vote here.

Last two zones are amazing!

OK, I have a couple of questions: * Is doing jumps inside loops to go back to running rather than rolling proven not to be faster in this game? * In Casino Paradise 1, you spend a lot of time waiting at the start (presumably to manipulate later objects), but then got stuck behind a couple of bumpers for 2-3 seconds anyway. Was there any alternative for this? * In Casino Paradise 2, when picking up the speed shoes, would it not be faster to just spindash through them and dodge the spikes on the way down? * Could you end input earlier by simply starting a spindash from far to the left on the final boss and then just having Knuckles bounce on Robotnik for all eight hits on the right hand side? I can't remember if that counts as a hit or not. Anyway, going to abstain for now.

Now, that's one of the better Sonic TASes I've seen recently. Yes vote, and love the category. (Is Knuckles capable of doing ultra-spindashes? If so, you should add something like "does not use ultra-spindashes" to the list of goals.)

Knuckles is also capable of doing ultra-spindashes. And thanks for reminding me about that, will add it now.

OK, I have a couple of questions: * Is doing jumps inside loops to go back to running rather than rolling proven not to be faster in this game? * In Casino Paradise 1, you spend a lot of time waiting at the start (presumably to manipulate later objects), but then got stuck behind a couple of bumpers for 2-3 seconds anyway. Was there any alternative for this? * In Casino Paradise 2, when picking up the speed shoes, would it not be faster to just spindash through them and dodge the spikes on the way down? * Could you end input earlier by simply starting a spindash from far to the left on the final boss and then just having Knuckles bounce on Robotnik for all eight hits on the right hand side? I can't remember if that counts as a hit or not.

A1: In some instances, yes. But not always. To explain the jump then roll in Secret Base 2, continually moving at the speed already given would've caused Knuckles to fall through the corner and down to the area before, if not push him back to before the corner with all speed lost. Not rolling would only make jump from the wall to the wrong spot. A2: The waiting in the beginning was to try and manipulate the "SONIC" lights so I can get a punch boost from it once there, however, that is the earliest that it will trigger. Sadly, I did test out other spots and none were any faster. A3: A spindash would cause me to hit the wall first and then touch the spikes. So it will only be slower as opposed to punch then jump. A4: Eggman's moves are very picky and what move he uses depends on the positioning of Knuckles. I had to end the movie after the 3rd/4th hit because of the way Knuckles was positioned after the bounce. I couldn't end it any earlier as doing so would only cause him to take another hit from Eggman.

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Yes, please!

Anyone planning to TAS the other characters or all Chaos Emeralds?

Sorry for the delay everyone, but the improvement was quite large and is done. Improvements including of the Mecha Knuckles fight and onwards. Managed to improve it by 1756 frames which lead to 29.2 seconds. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/602940243/GoddessMaria_SonicAdvance-KnucklesTAS.vbm

I obviously already voted yes, but I'm impressed you made the improvement already.

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Nice work, GoddessMaria15! Yes vote from me. Though, in the submission text, it says "Egg Rocket 1 - 7:19:01". It can't be 7:19:01, is it?

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [2010] GBA Sonic Advance "Knuckles, No Ultraspindash" by GoddessMaria in 14:59.28

Out of curiousity, if you made a TAS with Knuckles AND ultra-spindashes, would he still be considered a suboptimal character (in comparison to Sonic AND ultra-spindashes)?

Question, you end a level with more rings than time bonus at 14:10. Was there any thought into taking a hit during the wait cycle of the previous boss to reduce the bonus? Unlike time bonuses, you don't really have to wait or do anything otherwise overtly horrid to shorten this one.