The third Atari run submitted to this site. In this game, you control Superman for less than a second before becoming --AVERAGE CITIZEN CLARK KENT-- who must repair the bridge destroyed by Lex Luthor, capture Luthor and his criminal underlings, enter a phonebooth to turn back into Clark Kent, then return to the Daily Planet in the shortest amount of time. To slow Superman's Kent's progress, blobs of paintKryptonite has been released by Luthor. If hit by paintKryptonite, Superman loses his abilities to capture criminals and fly. To regain them, he must find and passionately kiss Lois Lane. Fortunately, with the power of HAX, our AVERAGE CITIZEN prove that sometimes, human skills are just enough. ;) I make short work of an already normally short game.
Actual Explanation
The glitch I abused involves pausing the game, which after a while, goes into this "Demo" mode where it loops through the whole game (kinda like a preview of it). If you move, normally, it would unpause the game and put you back to where you were. But if you were on a door, it glitches and allows you to enter.
I take the subway (yes, that's what the yellow room is) and go to the daily planet to end the game. Note: if the bridge collapse is triggered, you can't win by going to the daily planet. You must do all that crap I listed instead.
Game objectives
Emulator used: BizHawk 1.2.0
Fastest time
Low score
Best Superman TAS evar
Abuses glitches
Proves that human skills are just enough
Comments
If such a crap game like "E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial" got accepted, why not this? This was reviewed by the AVGN after all. Anyway, this TAS is comparable to The Amazing Spider-Man TAS by nitrogenesis since you're not supposed to do this in normal gameplay. But since playing legit knocks people to sleep, I drastically shorten the game!
Stage comments
I move two steps, paused the game, wait past 2 screen transitions, and walk left to finish this game.
Screenshot
Frame 597
Noxxa: Replaced submission with a three frame improvement by the author.
You want to do a TAS of a speedrun to show that it can be finished faster then was thought before. That is the entire idea of a speedrun: to finish as fast as possible. A TAS does exactly the same, but with great precision. Fun is not a factor, speed is.
If that was the case I'd just watch speedruns. It's not why I watch TASes.
You want to do a TAS of a speedrun to show that it can be finished faster then was thought before. That is the entire idea of a speedrun: to finish as fast as possible. A TAS does exactly the same, but with great precision. Fun is not a factor, speed is.
If that was the case I'd just watch speedruns. It's not why I watch TASes.
Then is there a great place to watch speedruns?, this site seems to have a lot of them but they have arbitrary rules for allowing movies to be submitted.
Please note however that I do not think that TAS-movies can't be fun, or can't be made pure for entertainment. Prime example of this is the "walkathon" http://tasvideos.org/1895M.html.
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Warp wrote:
It's much more desired if you evaluate each submission on its own merits and then give your solid arguments why you voted no.
If it ever got published, I'd automatically rate it 0/0.
If I showed it too all of my friends/family, I couldn't get them to like it even if I paid them.
The run is super boring.
Nothing happens.
The graphics are atrocious.
The gameplay is super dumb and hard to follow.
The TAS itself isn't impressive; Adelikat got only 100 frames slower in real time.
Music is dumb.
Game is dumb.
Console is dumb.
Any member spending time TASing this system is wasting valuable time that they could be TASing better systems.
And this will apply to every Atari run ever submitted here.
And yes, I did watch the other two previous Atari submissions, and my feelings were the same. TASing any game on this system is a complete waste of time, produces a final crap movie that nobody will care about or want to see.
That about good? Should I use this message as a template to copy into every time a new Atari submission is made?
It's much more desired if you evaluate each submission on its own merits and then give your solid arguments why you voted no.
If it ever got published, I'd automatically rate it 0/0.
If I showed it too all of my friends/family, I couldn't get them to like it even if I paid them.
The run is super boring.
Nothing happens.
The graphics are atrocious.
The gameplay is super dumb and hard to follow.
The TAS itself isn't impressive; Adelikat got only 100 frames slower in real time.
Music is dumb.
Game is dumb.
Console is dumb.
Any member spending time TASing this system is wasting valuable time that they could be TASing better systems.
And this will apply to every Atari run ever submitted here.
And yes, I did watch the other two previous Atari submissions, and my feelings were the same. TASing any game on this system is a complete waste of time, produces a final crap movie that nobody will care about or want to see.
That about good? Should I use this message as a template to copy into every time a new Atari submission is made?
I'm sensing you don't like Atari (my spidey sense is tingling, which means more than one actually don't like it)...
I'm sorry but I think you're letting your preference of consoles decide wether or not something is "valuable".
I mean, how could you even dare compare the graphics of the atari against ANYTHING, it's like comparing an 80's cellphone against a modern one IT'S JUST INSANE.
Just like Warp noted, you should really focus on the merits of the submission rather than "It's graphics are not like ps3 (xbox 360) so it must be trash", because if you're REALLY going to judge something based on it's music, graphics, gameplay and such we wouldn't even have NES, SNES or N64 runs because they look like crap against wii, Ps2, ps3, xbox and xbox 360 runs.
I really think people that haven't ever played atari should do so (at least in emulators) so they can have an idea of the average gameplays Atari could offer and have in mind that this games are 30+ years old (I'm guessing they are older than some of the members here and hence their hatred). Now, these games were the "hit" in their time (perhaps this game in particular is not the gem amongst the Atari games but it was a game none the less) because it was a whole new level for people at that time, again, you can't really compare this games against anything else besides themselves because we're talking about the very first home consoles so you can't expect great music nor great graphics... and the last time I checked, even the Atari are GAMES and as such they have the right to be TASed and judged by their capacities according to their limitations of their own time.
It's much more desired if you evaluate each submission on its own merits and then give your solid arguments why you voted no.
If I showed it too all of my friends/family, I couldn't get them to like it even if I paid them.
Son: "HEY MOM, GET THE FUK IN HERE"
Mom: "WUT DA FUK DO YOU WANT, SON"
Son: "LOOK AT DIS AMAZIN TAS OF FINAL FANTASY 8, ITS REAL GOOD"
Mom: "NO"
Son: =(
So do your family/friends even care about TASing?
YoungJ1997lol wrote:
Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
The run is super boring.
Nothing happens.
The graphics are atrocious.
The gameplay is super dumb and hard to follow.
The TAS itself isn't impressive; Adelikat got only 100 frames slower in real time.
Music is dumb.
Game is dumb.
Console is dumb.
Any member spending time TASing this system is wasting valuable time that they could be TASing better systems.
You might as well be talking about the NES. Take Super Mario Brothers:
- The run is boring, it's just running right.
- Nothing happens.
- The graphics are hideous. I mean, 16x16 sprites!? Actually, SPRITES?! Really? In this day and age?
- The gameplay makes no sense. I mean, he can walk through walls and pretty much run into enemies (hey, say what you want, but the only reason the gameplay here doesn't make sense is because of glitches, and the same can very much be said of SMB).
- The difference between the real time and tool assisted run is only about 100 frames.
- The music is dumb.
- The game is dumb.
- Console is dumb.
Except you don't object to NES runs? Why? Well, I assume because you grew up with it so you can at least view the console as it was viewed back when it was released.
TL;DR: If you don't like it, fine. Vote no for all I care. But don't go spitting your baseless Atari-hate everywhere.
I would like to take a moment once again to clarify my thoughts. I did only just make this account when the Atari TASing just entered but I have felt this way for quite some time.
This site, at it's core, is about TASing. Tool Assisted Speedrun/Superplay. There was at some point in the past a video of a SMB3 TAS that was posted without that info and passed off as 'real' to a lot of people. This lead to a bit of a stigma about 'cheaters' playing games and as such the shift in TASing went towards explicitly stating what they are, their intentions, and how they work. TAS videos still have comments of 'cheaters' or 'hackers' in their games but people still TAS and people watch TAS videos for the entertainment.
What is entertainment defined as? What a person finds entertaining, obviously. Deeper, it is something to which supplies a person with amusement, fun, a diversion for a short time that they found enjoyable. Entertainment is also highly subjective in that what one person hates with a burning passion, another may find to be the most euphoric experience.
What I have never found fully understood on this site is the following: at what point do we begin to state that a TAS, which technically great and entertaining to only a small niche because the majority deems they're too trite and boring? My dad wouldn't watch Super Mario 64. It's lost on him. Does this mean that video should be removed due to lack of entertainment value? Not everyone will find it entertaining however it is a great baseline of a game the majority of internet age users will have played.
As an older gamer I played the Atari 2600, Vectrex, Intellivision and Coleco Vision before the NES was a platform was even known in the west. I have enjoyed all three Atari TASes that have been submitted so far and I appreciate those who have done them. I have seen normal gameplay of the games, played them myself, and now can watch TAS videos should anyone take the time to do so.
To surmise what I am trying to say, allow me to throw it in a view quotable bullet points
-Are we going to reject things that some may like only because they're not entertaining to the masses?
-Are we going to ignore technical TAS merit or system limitations because they do not offer stimulating music, sound, or video?
-Are we going to determine at some point, entertainment is MORE VALUABLE then actual technical quality and speed, and start letting a video that is 30 frames shorter be viewed because it is much more 'enjoyable' to view?
-Is this site not about "Tool Assisted Speed" over all other things? Should we continue to vote on entertainment on something that started as being about the fastest inhumanely possible completions?
Once more, I do thank anyone who took the time to read this. If I were to vote, I would vote hesitant yes on this video for technical quality and abstain from voting on entertainment. I am an individual. My opinion of entertainment does not match everyone's nor should it ever be used as a yard-stick or metric by which a game succeeds or fails to be published. There will always be someone wishing to see even the worst possible game choice ever.
Being on Atari is not a free pass to be be uninteresting or badly programmed either. If this was on any other system besides Atari, I really couldn't see it being accepted, and it's not like some of the early PC (Apple 2?) games that have come up are any better in terms of the aesthetics or entertainment either.
Being on Atari is not a free pass to be be uninteresting or badly programmed either. If this was on any other system besides Atari, I really couldn't see it being accepted, and it's not like some of the early PC (Apple 2?) games that have come up are any better in terms of the aesthetics or entertainment either.
The core of my message, which is explained better and going into more discussion and detail in the link that jlun2 posted, is that it's not about entertainment.
Allow me to put it more coarsely.
I don't want my ability to find a game TAS inhibited by what -other- people decide is entertaining or not.
Being on Atari is not a free pass to be be uninteresting or badly programmed either. If this was on any other system besides Atari, I really couldn't see it being accepted, and it's not like some of the early PC (Apple 2?) games that have come up are any better in terms of the aesthetics or entertainment either.
The core of my message, which is explained better and going into more discussion and detail in the link that jlun2 posted, is that it's not about entertainment.
Allow me to put it more coarsely.
I don't want my ability to find a game TAS inhibited by what -other- people decide is entertaining or not.
The search bar doesn't work on your internets? That must make it hard to find anything.
If it ever got published, I'd automatically rate it 0/0.
That (especially the "automatically" part) sounds like you are boycotting it on principle with no rational reason whatsoever. (For example, you haven't explained why this TAS deserves a technical rating of 0. Other than "I don't like it", that is.)
I'd say that your boycott is not appreciated nor needed. If you don't like the system then don't watch. You can write your civilized opinions why the system should be removed from the list of acceptable consoles for TASing, but please do not vandalize the voting and rating system just because you have a personal issue with the console. The author of the TAS doesn't deserve it.
If it ever got published, I'd automatically rate it 0/0.
That (especially the "automatically" part) sounds like you are boycotting it on principle with no rational reason whatsoever. (For example, you haven't explained why this TAS deserves a technical rating of 0. Other than "I don't like it", that is.)
I'd say that your boycott is not appreciated nor needed. If you don't like the system then don't watch. You can write your civilized opinions why the system should be removed from the list of acceptable consoles for TASing, but please do not vandalize the voting and rating system just because you have a personal issue with the console. The author of the TAS doesn't deserve it.
Wait, is Comicalflop really serious? I really thought he was joking
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Had no idea what was going in this video until I read about the demo loop trick in more detail. Went from confused to amused. Yes vote for this, and to continue populating the Atari section.
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NitroGenesis wrote:
So do your family/friends even care about TASing?
Actually yes they do. Funnyhair, who submitted the Maui Mallard improvement, was my roommate in college. My older brother occassionally checks out some TASes on the site. My youngest brother watches them. I show them to my friends as well. What, thought I was going to make up some bullshit to prove a point?
About not liking the Atari, it's true, I really dislike it because I don't think it makes for good TASes. I also dislike most NES TASes, and I'm not the biggest fan of all of the Genesis runs either. I naturally happen to like SNES, GBA, N64, DS, GC/Wii TASes the most because I think the games within those consoles provide the best TAS material. Is the Atari the predecessor for all things video games? Sure. That doesn't mean that the final product TAS is entertaining to watch. Just because you can TAS this console now, doesn't mean you should.
What, thought I was going to make up some bullshit to prove a point?
I bet they have the exact same tastes as you do. My mom would love this TAS, so if someone says it's bad, I can say that to defend it even though I think the run was horrible.
YoungJ1997lol wrote:
Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
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My mom would submit hundreds of tases for atari once I teach her to lunch emulator.
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