it’d be ridiculous if this channel asks for partnership later on
I agree, but I recall that if all you upload is video game footage, you aren't elligible for partnership. not sure if this is changed or i read it wrong, but whatever.
I don’t know the details, but you can get money from video game footage on YT, many TASers here already do
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YT will certanly suggest you partnership, as it did to me. I just unmark all runs but 2 (or 4, they are not watched by many people, so the % is extremely low). And I registered the Adds account to some fake address. I don't want these money lol. But I find posting my own thumbnails (that mirror pub screenshots) cool. I could add other beautiful stuff, but didn't want to bother learning it.
As for money, let's just find out the amount. Like, what price for each view? We don't need to donate since the site is hosted by DeHackEd, so I can't invent a way to spend these potential money. Nach's lunch? Why not.
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I can't invent a way to spend these potential money. Nach's lunch? Why not.
I have yet to see a single penny from something related to TASVideos.
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it’d be ridiculous if this channel asks for partnership later on
I agree, but I recall that if all you upload is video game footage, you aren't elligible for partnership. not sure if this is changed or i read it wrong, but whatever.
LOL? are you serious?? people such as Dennisbalow and MKDasher have partnerships, and all they upload is video game footage.. there are many other people, I am just too lazy to give examples.
After reading the discussion that this post has generated, I feel the need to state in this topic that I find SoulCal's arguments against this policy quite compelling. Consequently, I request that it be changed to allow that a publication's only linked YouTube stream be that hosted in the author's channel if they ask for it and it meets the site's quality standards, making TASVideosChannel's stream private.
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SoulCal makes comments on his own run, another tas also does this... another few.
These tas runs are on their own account (depending on the game)
So it should be allowed to let SoulCal have his run only his account since comments were made.
(There was an SNES rpg, Cave Story, PS game another game... etc.)
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Disables Comments and Ratings for the YouTube account.Something better for yourself and also others.
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Right, if it's a popular game, people will always post many questions. For now communicating with them requires to add the video to your favorites and checking the comments manually each time. It will also always be some side person relatively to the video hosting channel. The video uploader explaining what happens is way more convenient. Also, imo the author deserves an exception if he wants to.
As I said somewhere, the author only must engage himself to keep the video description true to the site's one and up-to-date, since it's one of the main features of TVC. It must not be one-sided.
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Continuing discussion from this thread (Resident Evil 4):
SoulCal wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
Let me try to get the facts straight here:
1) SoulCal does not want his run on TASVideosChannel, or prominently visible on TASVideosChannel, because dumb YouTubers will misattribute the run to the uploader, or maybe other reasons.
It's also because I should not have to check another channel in order to read the feedback, and respond to that feedback, for something I created, unless I choose to do so.
Fair enough. Like I said, it could be any reason the author wants.
SoulCal wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
2) Evidently, there are multiple exceptions to the TVC rule because these authors prefer having their run on their own channel. These exceptions can be granted for whatever reason the author wants, including recognition, viewcount, dollars, or anything else they can think of.
Idk if the exceptions are granted because the author wants it, or if the site wants it. That hasn't been made clear as to why there are exceptions for a rule for which there were to be no exceptions.
It's because the author wants it. If it were up to the site, all movies would get the TVC treatment. If the author objects to having their run to TVC, we link to their YouTube video instead.
SoulCal wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
3) Thus, SoulCal can easily just state somewhere in the submission that he wants the publication YouTuber to be his own. No issues there, we have been down that road before.
Am I allowed to submit my dtm and make the request, but if denied I can withdraw my submission?
To my knowledge, I haven't ever seen such a request "denied" but even if so, until the run is published you can always cancel your submission.
However, I am quite sure that the site would much rather oblige to putting your YouTube link there than potentially losing a very good submission.
SoulCal wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
So unless I'm missing something, there shouldn't be any problem with submitting?
Well the partial problem extends from your #3, as we've had no response from someone high up on the site declare a yes or no. I don't want to submit my run and have my request denied, and then lose the rights to my dtm.
Okay, I understand if you want to have definite written proof from a site admin or so before submission. In that case, I'll see if we can get one of the admins to respond about this situation.
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From the other thread: I also want to point out what, I think, is a flaw with having all the runs posted to 1 channel. If a user subs to a channel, it's generally because of specific content (like a specific game, genre, or console). I had to de-sub from the TVC myself because I saw nothing but a large volume of runs I cared nothing for. People sub to Grunz for zelda, to sonicpacker for Mario/sonic, to Mothrayas for Megaman, etc. There's really not a lot of people that would sub to a channel for a combination of all TAS types, especially with 1,124 current uploads, many of which are labeled [Obsolete TAS], or are runs that have already existed for years now. It seems rather silly to upload a brand new TAS, but the next uploads are runs 3-4 years old, or obsolete.
I think having a non-specialized channel (TVC) divides the community instead of it's intend to expand it. The TVC is an okay idea, but really only should serve as a place for authors to publish their work if their account still has the file size / time restrictions, or if they don't want to deal with encoding and such themselves. In fact, it would probably be far more beneficial to the site if I requested for someone like sonicpacker to upload my TAS to his channel (since his channel specializes with N64/GC). It's almost guaranteed to get thousands of more views, thus promote the site far more than TVC would, which is one of my goals being part of the site anyway. He's already an exception to the rule, so there shouldn't be an issue doing that (this is a hypothetical, I'm not saying I would necessarily request it, but others might).
EDIT: I'd also like to point out I began this run back in July 2011, a full year before the policy was intact.
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feos wrote:
As I said somewhere, the author only must engage himself to keep the video description true to the site's one and up-to-date, since it's one of the main features of TVC. It must not be one-sided.
Since YouTube offers federated login options (which I still need to play with), I was thinking we should even require that such movies supply the site with credentials that allow it to update those movies automatically.
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Mr. SoulCal, if you didn't want people discussing the fact that you want recognition, you shouldn't have stated it as your #1 argument.
SoulCal wrote:
As stated by me before:
SoulCal wrote:
I'd like to also point out I'm not saying this due to YouTube monetization or getting video views. In fact, I cannot even monetize Resident Evil 4, because Capcom claims copyright to some of the cutscenes, and I have actually received a strike on my account for my previous WIP for the Krauser knife cutscene
Who cares about monetization? I wasn't talking about it. One of the reasons you wanted the run on your channel was because you wanted the recognition for the eleventy-trillion hours you poured into making a speedrun of a video game. Hell, you even ended your first post with...
SoulCal wrote:
I'm saying this because there seems to always be confusion about "who made what" when most people assume the uploader is the author. I don't want people thinking some guy named "TASVideosChannel" is the speedrunner, cause that belittles the 100s of hours I put into this.
Hell, your second and third reasons basically play off of the first reason, which is "I want it on my channel so people know I did it". The second reason is just you saying you want it on your channel again, and the third one is is that there are exceptions to the rule, which is hardly a point.
SoulCal wrote:
but I do care about feedback and comments left on my work, and I shouldn't have to check another YouTube channel to respond to people that have questions or are interested.
Oh, come on. It's not a huge journey to go onto one other video and respond to questions. Are you afraid that there will be thousands of comments and responding to them will be impossible on TVC?
SoulCal wrote:
One of the bigger ones though is we have exceptions totherule, making the rule arbitrary.
No, this isn't a bigger one. You didn't provide any reasons why you want it on your account with this one. You just took an argument you made to support your "YouTubers will say TVC did it!!" Please explain to me why you feel the fact that three other videos not on TVC is a legit enough point that we should allow your run to be on your channel.
Also, those videos are being monetized. Yours isn't. The only thing you'd be losing if it wasn't on your channel would be - you guessed it - recognition.
SoulCal wrote:
There's really not a lot of people that would sub to a channel for a combination of all TAS types... blabbity blabbity blab
Mr. SoulCal, if you didn't want people discussing the fact that you want recognition, you shouldn't have stated it as your #1 argument.
It's not that I didn't want to people to discuss it; I didn't want people to over-discuss it. It wasn't my #1 argument, it was just the 1st one I mentioned. My mistake for listing it 1st and confuse people into thinking it's what I cared about the most.
NitroGenesis wrote:
Who cares about monetization? I wasn't talking about it.
You did talk about it:
NitroGenesis wrote:
Anyway uploading the full run to my YT account because I'm an asshole and want money.
I'm guessing you're saying this in a sarcastic way to attempt to reflect my thoughts on why I want the run on my YT account, which is false, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't refer to me as an asshole.
NitroGenesis wrote:
One of the reasons you wanted the run on your channel was because you wanted the recognition for the eleventy-trillion hours you poured into making a speedrun of a video game.
Isn't that a fairly reasonable request?
NitroGenesis" wrote:
Hell, your second and third reasons basically play off of the first reason, which is "I want it on my channel so people know I did it". The second reason is just you saying you want it on your channel again, and the third one is is that there are exceptions to the rule, which is hardly a point.
My 2nd point I expanded on in later posts. Having the same run uploaded to two accounts divides the community, because there are different sources for the same material. The 3rd point though is valid, because we have exceptions to a rule which was stated to not allow exceptions.
NitroGenesis wrote:
SoulCal wrote:
but I do care about feedback and comments left on my work, and I shouldn't have to check another YouTube channel to respond to people that have questions or are interested.
Oh, come on. It's not a huge journey to go onto one other video and respond to questions. Are you afraid that there will be thousands of comments and responding to them will be impossible on TVC?
No, I'm not afraid of that. The more direct an author is with the audience , it's easier and more effective to get people interested in TASing, which is what we all want.
"NitroGenesis wrote:
Also, those videos are being monetized. Yours isn't. The only thing you'd be losing if it wasn't on your channel would be - you guessed it - recognition.
Why should monetization be considered as a reason for having exceptions? By that logic, any run an author submits can bypass the rule just by saying "my material is allowed to be monetized." Btw, Megaman X6 is an exception, and it is not monetized.
NitroGenesis wrote:
SoulCal wrote:
There's really not a lot of people that would sub to a channel for a combination of all TAS types... blabbity blabbity blab
I'd like to point out to you that webnations has 29,286 subs, yet barely achieves 1000 views for the content it posts. Therefore, either only 1/20th of the subs are active, or they just don't give a care for a majority of the material posted, which is a very similar scenario with TVC and it's 5000 subs. Idk what webnations' contributions to us are, but they're just uploading runs that TASVideos.org hosts, which again goes back to my point of there being no reason to divide the community if we can prevent it. And please don't belittle my comments with "blabbity blabbity blah." I'm making requests here, not demands.
Webnations uploads TASes from this site, then posts a link in the description to the publication pages, then the publication pages have links to the TASVideosChannel upload of the exact same video. Pardon my language, but this seems like one very large and unnecessary circle-jerk.
Who cares about monetization? I wasn't talking about it.
You did talk about it:
NitroGenesis wrote:
Anyway uploading the full run to my YT account because I'm an asshole and want money.
I'm guessing you're saying this in a sarcastic way to attempt to reflect my thoughts on why I want the run on my YT account, which is false, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't refer to me as an asshole.
It was pretty obviously a joke. ashoelSoulCal wrote:
NitroGenesis wrote:
One of the reasons you wanted the run on your channel was because you wanted the recognition for the eleventy-trillion hours you poured into making a speedrun of a video game.
Isn't that a fairly reasonable request?
No.
NitroGenesis" wrote:
Hell, your second and third reasons basically play off of the first reason, which is "I want it on my channel so people know I did it". The second reason is just you saying you want it on your channel again, and the third one is is that there are exceptions to the rule, which is hardly a point.
My 2nd point I expanded on in later posts. Having the same run uploaded to two accounts divides the community, because there are different sources for the same material. The 3rd point though is valid, because we have exceptions to a rule which was stated to not allow exceptions.
SoulCal wrote:
No, I'm not afraid of that. The more direct an author is with the audience , it's easier and more effective to get people interested in TASing, which is what we all want.
...and how is having the video on a different channel going to possibly affect this.?
"NitroGenesis wrote:
Why should monetization be considered as a reason for having exceptions? By that logic, any run an author submits can bypass the rule just by saying "my material is allowed to be monetized." Btw, Megaman X6 is an exception, and it is not monetized.
They're losing from their run being on TVC. (I don't agree with it either, but that seemed to be an accepted decision) I'm guessing Mega Man X6 was a mistake, seeing as how there's nothing in the run's thread about it.
Also, what are you really gaining from having the run on your channel? That's what was the point of me bringing it up. Anything other then the fact that several people might not know it was you that made it? So what? Several people do that for multiple TASes. It's not an issue that applies to you. Tens of hours? I guarantee several TASes have taken longer to make then that. And for people that won't get the recognition, because their game isn't as popular as RE4, a game that most definitely is popular.
SoulCal wrote:
I'd like to point out to you that webnations has 29,286 subs, yet barely achieves 1000 views for the content it posts blabbity blabbity blah
That's because webnations went on a very long break from uploading videos. Look at his uploads from a few years ago - they all are generally in the 10k zone. Many people are fascinated by TASes in general and will subscribe to a channel that uploads TASes of multiple genres.
YoungJ1997lol wrote:
Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
There's no reason to be disrespectful here, and call me an asshole an additional two times (one being the subject of your last message). Let's be more productive about this. I'm making a request, not a demand.
NitroGenesis wrote:
SoulCal wrote:
Isn't that a fairly reasonable request?
No.
How is it unreasonable to request I have the uploading writes to something I created?
NitroGenesis wrote:
SoulCal wrote:
No, I'm not afraid of that. The more direct an author is with the audience , it's easier and more effective to get people interested in TASing, which is what we all want.
...and how is having the video on a different channel going to possibly affect this.?
YouTube inbox. I get notifications every time someone writes a comment.
"NitroGenesis wrote:
They're losing from their run being on TVC. (I don't agree with it either, but that seemed to be an accepted decision) I'm guessing Mega Man X6 was a mistake, seeing as how there's nothing in the run's thread about it.
Could be. I'm unsure about that myself.
NitroGenesis wrote:
Also, what are you really gaining from having the run on your channel?
Nothing. I, myself, am gaining nothing. That's one of the points I've tried to get across. It's the viewers benefiting, not me. What better way to provide material to people than straight from the creator himself? There's no need for a 2nd hand source.
NitroGenesis wrote:
Tens of hours?
Hundreds.
NitroGenesis wrote:
SoulCal wrote:
I'd like to point out to you that webnations has 29,286 subs, yet barely achieves 1000 views for the content it posts blabbity blabbity blah
Many people are fascinated by TASes in general and will subscribe to a channel that uploads TASes of multiple genres.
As far I as I can tell, it seems like webnations is just stealing runs from other sites (RTS runs from SDA too) and just uploading them. When a channel uploads 1,500 videos, they're bound to get a few subs here and there.
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He started youtubing our tases back when they were almost not present at youtube at all. Mirrored quite a ton of Archive streams, and it was really good. Then, after youtube was taken into official consideration (HD encode era), his videos started becoming obsoleted.
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He started youtubing our tases back when they were almost not present at youtube at all. Mirrored quite a ton of Archive streams, and it was really good. Then, after youtube was taken into official consideration (HD encode era), his videos started becoming obsoleted.
Well that makes sense. If that's the case, why is he still uploading the TASes the site already hosts on TVC? Seems kinda strange to do that, and I doubt he obtains the permission to post all the videos he uploads from the varying authors. I assume he's just trying to help us with spreading TASes, but it kinda defeats his own purpose when the official TASVideosChannel is doing the exact same thing.
And we keep referring to him as a "he" right? As in 1 guy, and not a group like TVC is?
He started youtubing our tases back when they were almost not present at youtube at all. Mirrored quite a ton of Archive streams, and it was really good. Then, after youtube was taken into official consideration (HD encode era), his videos started becoming obsoleted.
Well that makes sense. If that's the case, why is he still uploading the TASes the site already hosts on TVC? Seems kinda strange to do that, and I doubt he obtains the permission to post all the videos he uploads from the varying authors.
And we keep referring to him as a "he" right? As in 1 guy, and not a group like TVC is?
The TASVideos publication license grants him/her/it/them/Illuminati all of the permission he/she/it/they/Illuminati need/needs to repost content. He/She/It/They/Illuminati is/are still posting videos without any particular cooperation or coordination with the site staff.
The TASVideos publication license grants him/her/it/them/Illuminati all of the permission he/she/it/they/Illuminati need/needs to repost content. He/She/It/They/Illuminati is/are still posting videos without any particular cooperation or coordination with the site staff.
Excellent info to be aware of.
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IMO as long as s/he links back to the source and doesn't misrepresent facts, reposting is fine and doesn't need any permission.
Agreed about linking the source, although I will say reposting does seem unnecessary.
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I've heard TVC got a time limit for copyright violation. Is it true, and what to do if it is?
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feos wrote:
I've heard TVC got a time limit for copyright violation. Is it true, and what to do if it is?
It's not clear what happened.
We're looking into it, wait patiently.
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Then I'll tell what I know.
Warner most likely (87.9% it's true) used some random SMB footage and uploaded their copyrighted vid to youtube. YT copyright system now thinks any SMB footage similar to the segment Warner has belongs to Warner. Claiming back is a piece of cake, but you'd need to wait for them to read your claim and make a decision. All that time (about a month) TVC will stay time-limited.
Now about what to write. I did it this way when my SMB uploads were hit by belonging to AlbinoBlackSheep. I send a message that this guy has nothing on earth to do with SMB, all rights belong to Nintendo. And the particular video I uploaded was captured from console from the cartrige I own, so I have a right to post gameplay footage for the purpose of research. Yes, I lied (tases aren't recorded from console, but those guys don't give a heck about how tases are recorded).
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