Since the world-wide scientific community consists of hundreds of thousands (if not even millions) of people from all around the world, from different countries, cultures and backgrounds, it's insane to think that they all could be in a huge world-wide conspiracy. That's just a physical impossibility. You can't coordinate millions of people from all around the world like this. It's just not possible. (And who exactly would be doing the controlling anyway? And how would they expect to succeed?)
That's one of the things about conspiracy theories that I have the most problems with. They always expect you to believe, that a specific group of people can organize themselves worldwide, control everything, hide everything and on top of that, doing this thing for decades, if not centuries. I just don't buy that, people don't work like this, you can't organize stuff this flawless on such a scale. People make mistakes, they don't trust each other, and so on. But conspiracy theories - much like communism - expect people to be perfect.
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You should consider seeing a psychiatrist, you exhibit symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.
Well, RGamma already suggested that possibility on page #1. The only problem is that the psychiatrists are also in a conspiracy. See this documentary if you want to know more about it: "Psychiatry: an industry of death": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5dSZnbugpc
Conspiracy theories are just fabrications, fantasies, they are not real.
So there are no conspiracies in the world? Nobody tries to deceive anybody?
I'm talking about the popular and silly ones. Those that go against science and what we know of reality because of undeniable overwhelming evidence (and because of the physical impossibility of the conspiracy theory being true.)
Scientists can be deceived too. They're not necessarily knowingly in a conspiration.
That's exactly what the scientific method tries to eliminate (and does so quite efficiently.) These are the peer-reviewing process, the double-blind experiments, etc. This is a very rigorous process that eliminates biases, opinions and things like coercion. The scientific process does not rely on a few individual scientists; it relies on the vast scientific community which has centuries of expertise in testing and finding flaws.
It's the exact process that pseudoscientists and conspiracy theorists don't like, because it exposes them for the phonies they are.
And how can we know that we can trust this scientific process? Because it produces actual tangible results: The computer you are using right now is the result of a couple of hundreds of years of science and technology. It's a testament of how well science works. You don't have to simply take their word for it: You have the actual evidence in front of you: It works.
Pseudoscience and conspiracy theories don't work. They don't result in practical applications. They do not advance our understanding of how reality works, thus leading to practical results. It's not science; it's fiction.
"Subpixel" doesn't actually mean the same as "invisible".
If you photograph a detail that's smaller than a pixel, it will be dimmer than if it were the exact size of a pixel. It doesn't just vanish completely. The photograph will of course have one pixel of a certain color where that sub-pixel detail was; it's just that the pixel will be dimmer. (Very roughly, the brightness of the detail is directly proportional to how much of the pixel's area it covers.)
Another way to demonstrate this:
An object can be seen (and registered in a photo) even if its angular size is much smaller than 1 pixel. If it weren't the case, we wouldn't see a single star in the night sky, even with amateur telescopes.
Angular resolution of the human eye: about 4 arcminutes.
Angular size of R Doradus (the star with the largest apparent size): only 0.057 arcseconds, 4000 times smaller than the "human vision pixel".
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And like I mentioned earlier, there are military forces in Antarctica which kill you if you try to go find the edge of the flat earth. The military people don't have to know anything about the round earth conspiracy, they're just hired to do a job.
What's the size of the border of the Earth? Are there soldiers around dozens of thousands of kilometers, just to protect a secret that has no relevance for mass dominance? This whole conversation reminds of this awesome vsauce video:
Link to video
And like I mentioned earlier, there are military forces in Antarctica which kill you if you try to go find the edge of the flat earth. The military people don't have to know anything about the round earth conspiracy, they're just hired to do a job.
What's the size of the border of the Earth? Are there soldiers around dozens of thousands of kilometers, just to protect a secret that has no relevance for mass dominance?
Don't know about the size, but it should of course be massive. Before the soldiers were put there, there were explorers who explored the ice wall, and they sailed around it for several years, trying to find inlets and whatnot.
But it does have a lot of relevance for mass dominance, because there could for example be more land outside the ice wall, and more resources, so they don't want people to know about it, because they want it all for themselves. It's a way of limiting and controlling people. If you can deceive people with something this extreme, all the other lies become easier for people to swallow. It's a way of hiding the truth from people. It's a way of making people feel small and unimportant. Because according to flat earthers, the earth is unique. It's not a planet, it's a plane. So it also gives humans a greater importance and place in the "universe".
This whole conversation reminds of this awesome vsauce video:
Yeah, I've noticed on youtube that the flat earth theory has been gaining a lot of attention lately, and the flat earthers are growing in numbers. According to "real" flat earthers, there is no gravity and also no space in the way that we are taught to believe. They say it was invented by the freemason Isaac Newton.
And like I mentioned earlier, there are military forces in Antarctica which kill you if you try to go find the edge of the flat earth. The military people don't have to know anything about the round earth conspiracy, they're just hired to do a job.
What's the size of the border of the Earth? Are there soldiers around dozens of thousands of kilometers, just to protect a secret that has no relevance for mass dominance?
The amount of people in that conspiracy is rather staggering. Any seaship captain and airplane pilot would notice that distances in charts do not correspond to actual traveling times; therefore every single one of them must be in the conspiracy. As are, of course, all the geologists and other scientists who study the Earth, as well as all the astrophysicists, etc. All the companies that make communication satellites would also notice something's odd, so they have to be in the conspiracy. All these regardless of their country, culture or background. For example all Chinese, Japanese and Indian scientists are in a conspiracy with European, Northern and Southern American scientists, as well as Australian and African scientists, even though their cultures, religions and backgrounds are completely different. Amateur astronomers would also notice something's off, but they don't say anything; thus they are all in the conspiracy.
Of course you would have to also explain how when the Moon and the Sun set, they don't change apparent size, yet they are always visible somewhere on Earth. Or how your traveling time from South Africa to South America is much shorter than it should be. Or how time-lapses of the night sky quite clearly show stars moving as if we were on a round, rotating planet. Perhaps we are all in a huge conspiracy to hide it.
I bet you are one of the conspirators! Confess!
Of course then there are those who say that the Earth is hollow. (Just look it up.)
Then there are those who say that the Earth is actually expanding like a balloon. (Also look it up.)
Why do you choose to believe one silly pseudoscientific claim over other, contradictory ones? Do you throw dice to decide which one you will believe?
You should consider seeing a psychiatrist, you exhibit symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.
Well, RGamma already suggested that possibility on page #1. The only problem is that the psychiatrists are also in a conspiracy. See this documentary if you want to know more about it: "Psychiatry: an industry of death": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5dSZnbugpc
lmao alright you got me, I took the troll bait. Good job bud.
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I know nfq's notorious around here for spouting crazy conspiracy theories, but I think he's getting worse. Unless he gets real, professional help, he's going to end up as the next time cube guy.
A hundred years from now, they will gaze upon my work and marvel at my skills but never know my name. And that will be good enough for me.
I wasn't planning on responding to this thread anymore, but remember how I said that the flat earth activity on the internet has been increasing like crazy lately? So is it a coincidence that NASA now just happens to release it's first unstiched image of the whole earth since 1972? [1] Obviously they are afraid the bullshit is going to hit the fan if people find out the truth about the flat earth, so they have to accelerate the speed of indoctrination.
The new picture also has a subliminal message [2], probably to make people more likely to accept it as truth.
And while I'm at it, why is it that in 2015, there is still not a single real video showing the whole earth rotating in space in real time? This is the only one that claims to show a rotating earth (although it's apparently an "animation"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVuqcEuIRgs (but if it's real, why are the clouds not moving?)
[1] http://www.newsweek.com/whole-earth-nasa-releases-its-first-unstitched-image-1972-355915
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b62nVStG_Ds (at 3:20 in the video)
Ewwwwww! A formation of vapourised water particles in the atmosphere are arranged to make up the word "SEX", but I'm a littel girl and i hate sex, eww gross.
nfq, I don't think anybody is amused anymore about your flat earth BS (regardless of whether you are just poe'ing or being serious). Especially not since your clear unwillingness to have an actual rational discussion about it.
nfq, I don't think anybody is amused anymore about your flat earth BS (regardless of whether you are just poe'ing or being serious). Especially not since your clear unwillingness to have an actual rational discussion about it.
I'm sorry you feel that way. You will have to clarify for me how I was unwilling to have a rational discussion about it, because for me it was pretty clear that I discussed it rationally for quite some time on this thread. But I can't respond to everything, because I don't have the time, and also because it's somewhat off topic.
But just to show I want to have a rational discussion about it, I'll answer some of your earlier questions:
Warp wrote:
Of course then there are those who say that the Earth is hollow. (Just look it up.)
Then there are those who say that the Earth is actually expanding like a balloon. (Also look it up.)
Why do you choose to believe one silly pseudoscientific claim over other, contradictory ones? Do you throw dice to decide which one you will believe?
No, I don't throw dice, I use reason and evidence. The hollow earth is not contradictory with the flat earth theory though, because the flat earth is not necessarily thin, like a pizza, so it could also be hollow, like some mythologies say.
I don't believe in the expanding earth theory, because it's based on the same assumptions as the Pangea theory, which I think is illogical, because the continents aren't like leaves floating on a pond. They can't move great distances like that, and there is also not evidence that they have done that (because like with evolution, it takes millions of years, so it's unobservable).
But just to show I want to have a rational discussion about it, I'll answer some of your earlier questions:
The hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, from different countries, cultures, backgrounds and religions. They do their own independent observations and measurements. They would notice something's off. They aren't talking. Are all of them in the world-wide conspiracy?
The thousands and thousands of seaship and airship captains, engineers and crew, from all over the world, from different countries, cultures, backgrounds and religions. They would notice that charts do not match traveling distances and times. They aren't talking. Are all of them in the world-wide conspiracy?
The hundreds of thousands of engineers, programmers and other professionals developing and manufacturing devices such as GPS that require precise measurements; all the workers that need to deal with distances between far-away places for logistics, and so on; all the companies from all around the world that launch communication satellites and so on. Different countries, backgrounds and cultures. They are not talking. Are all of them in the world-wide conspiracy?
The hundreds of thousands of astronomers, astrophysicists, geologists and so on, from different countries, cultures and backgrounds. None of them are talking. Are they in the conspiracy?
All the independent reporters, explorers, entrepreneurs and so on who have traveled all around the world, including the southern parts, made documentaries, research and so on, are not talking. Are they part of the conspiracy?
How many millions of people are there in the conspiracy?
because the continents aren't like leaves floating on a pond. They can't move great distances like that, and there is also not evidence that they have done that (because like with evolution, it takes millions of years, so it's unobservable).
We observe the continents moving right now. Can can measure it.
There is also more than enough evidence that this has been going on for a very long time. The magnetic striping of ocean floors is evidence that they have been moving for quite many millions of years, and quite long distances. It also gives a perfect explanation of how certain fossils in one continent continue on another continent, forming a perfect contiguous area, like if the two continents had at some point been joined at that point. That's just two examples of many.
You don't seem to understand the strength and effectiveness of inference from evidence. Or rather, you seem to only choose to infer things when it suits your fantasies, but dismiss it when it contradicts them, and conforms to science. (Isn't it funny how you argue from inference for a flat Earth, but dismiss inference when it's against it? Do you understand why that is?)
The hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, from different countries, cultures, backgrounds and religions. They do their own independent observations and measurements. They would notice something's off. They aren't talking. Are all of them in the world-wide conspiracy?
They wouldn't necessarily notice anything different, and if they find anomalies, they go for the round earth explanations. But there are some who are noticing strange things like UFOs.
The thousands and thousands of seaship and airship captains, engineers and crew, from all over the world, from different countries, cultures, backgrounds and religions. They would notice that charts do not match traveling distances and times. They aren't talking. Are all of them in the world-wide conspiracy?
I don't see how the distances and times would be different on a flat earth.
Also, talking about controversial things can make you lose your job for example, so not many are willing to do it, even if they were aware of something. Furthermore, their small voices are not necessarily heard in the noise of the big world.
The hundreds of thousands of engineers, programmers and other professionals developing and manufacturing devices such as GPS that require precise measurements; all the workers that need to deal with distances between far-away places for logistics, and so on; all the companies from all around the world that launch communication satellites and so on. Different countries, backgrounds and cultures. They are not talking. Are all of them in the world-wide conspiracy?
No, they are probably just not aware of a conspiracy.
The hundreds of thousands of astronomers, astrophysicists, geologists and so on, from different countries, cultures and backgrounds. None of them are talking. Are they in the conspiracy?
There are many talking. Many of them for example don't believe in the Big Bang, heliocentrism and the theory of evolution.
All the independent reporters, explorers, entrepreneurs and so on who have traveled all around the world, including the southern parts, made documentaries, research and so on, are not talking. Are they part of the conspiracy?
No, they're not in a conspiracy either. Especially the early explorers of Antarctica, like Admiral Byrd, reported strange things, like going around Antarctica for years, so that it didn't match the size it was supposed to have.
We observe the continents moving right now. Can can measure it.
Just like we can observe microevolution, like all the different dogs that have evolved. That doesn't prove macroevolution, that all animals evolved from single-celled organisms. In the same way, small movements of the continents don't prove the supercontinent.
The magnetic striping of ocean floors is evidence that they have been moving for quite many millions of years, and quite long distances. It also gives a perfect explanation of how certain fossils in one continent continue on another continent, forming a perfect contiguous area, like if the two continents had at some point been joined at that point. That's just two examples of many.
You don't seem to understand the strength and effectiveness of inference from evidence. Or rather, you seem to only choose to infer things when it suits your fantasies, but dismiss it when it contradicts them, and conforms to science. (Isn't it funny how you argue from inference for a flat Earth, but dismiss inference when it's against it? Do you understand why that is?)
Everyone is biased. Scientists also favor explanations which support their theories, but ignore alternative explanations or things that contradict their theories (they call them conspiracy theories or pseudoscience).
And while I'm at it, why is it that in 2015, there is still not a single real video showing the whole earth rotating in space in real time? This is the only one that claims to show a rotating earth (although it's apparently an "animation"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVuqcEuIRgs (but if it's real, why are the clouds not moving?)
I have googled more than you can imagine; that's why I particularly said that there is no video showing the whole earth rotating. Assuming that these live streams are real footage, they're not so far away from earth, so they could for example be using a fish-eye lense, to make it appear round, like it is done in many space videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I (this is not an animation, but it's still showing fake curvature)
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