This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4783: adelikat, Aglar, Noxxa, Really_Tall & Samsara's NES Streemerz: Super Strength Emergency Squad Zeta "Streeeeemerz Mode" in 05:03.33

stares I'll just take first reply if there is indeed a frame war going on so I can mark each one. Original 05:08.51 Samsara 05:06.03 adelikat/Samsara 05:05.51 Really_Tall 05:04.62 - Desync Samsara 05:04.71 - Desync Tompa/Samsara 05:04.51 Samsara 05:04.13 Aglar 05:03.33

As noted elsewhere we are aware that the auto-judging script did not properly handle .fm2 submissions under certain as-of-yet unknown circumstances, and I can confirm that Mothrays submitted this run prior to the deadline (as in, the initial file posted in this submission, which based on the potential for a frame war may get replaced at some point). It is unfortunate that this mistake happened and that Mothrayas was not properly recognized; I will attempt to amend this mistake as best as possible via whatever communication means I can muster.

If you press UP next to the wall on the left before entering the screen with the goal of level 1, you can go to level 1-2 transition a little earlier. Is this the phantom door you talked about?

Yeah, I did it in my run and apparently nobody else did or something. (start at about 1:21) I'm really interested in fixing my run up but I'm not sure if I'll aim for actually optimizing it down at lot... who knows ;)

Frame war-a-go-go

Working on it. Let's go, gentlemen.

Frame war-a-go-go

Working on it. Let's go, gentlemen.

I approve, but someone needs to make a game resources page for this game, please. :)

User movie #24543583458375795 150 149 frame improvement, working off of Moth's file. Shortlist: *Phantom door *Minor strategy changes *Blechy's clown room suggestion 002C = 1 at frame 18488 In-game time: 3:42.36 Didn't want to make a new submission since it's still mostly Moth's input.

The room strat shown by Kaizoman at around 2:45 in the race is ~20 frames faster than what's in Mothrayas's movie. I tried to edit it in myself but kept getting additional lag frames all over the rest of the run, I'm a bit unfamiliar with FCEUX so I might be doing something wrong. I'll leave it up to someone who knows what they're doing to add it instead :). Link to video Everything else I managed to learn doing my run is already in there or has been improved upon.

but kept getting additional lag frames all over the rest of the run

The game is designed for 50 fps. When run on NTSC, it simply idles every 6th frame. Best sync is acquired on NTSC when adding/removing frames in increments of 6.

User movie #24566371468387760 Shortlist: *adelikat's improvement was used as a base *Mothrayas added kaizoman's negazone room strat and partially resynced *I resynced the rest from there

*Mothrayas added kaizoman's negazone room strat and partially resynced

Since it's already collaborative, won't it be good to co-author kaizoman? For competitions and final movies they end up with, we use to co-author anyone without whom it wouldn't be as fast.

*Mothrayas added kaizoman's negazone room strat and partially resynced

Since it's already collaborative, won't it be good to co-author kaizoman? For competitions and final movies they end up with, we use to co-author anyone without whom it wouldn't be as fast.

My position on coauthorship for runs like these is to coauthor only all players who have had input in the run. I don't think kaizoman is the only one who used this strat either (he just had a conveniently accessible video since the SGDQ stream played it back), should I credit everyone in the TAS race who went through this room in that particular way? Should I credit Dragonfangs too since he actually told us about the room strat? Should I credit SGDQ and dwangoAC too for showcasing kaizoman's run on the stream? I don't know, there's just too much of a slippery slope here. This v3 run probably would in fact probably have been a solo adelikat run had it not been for the negazone room improvement, even though the v2 run by me and Samsara was heavily used as a reference point. I'm in fact only credited for my negazone room input (and lag clowns room input, and a couple other rooms) and Samsara for resyncing the rest. So yeah, I maintain to only coauthor the players who have had input in the run. You could arguably create a very long author list otherwise.

Link to video I found two small improvements, but I'm having a lot of trouble getting them to sync. If someone else could sync them I'd appreciate it.

Leave it to me. I've already resynced the movie twice, might as well go for it again. Could you post the input file?

http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/24574709056881534 The room after the first improvement needs to be re-optimised since you enter it at a different speed. Also, I've messed with the input after my improvements to try and make it sync, just to warn you.

User movie #24577673766739189 This isn't finished, but I'm uploading it in case someone wants to redo everything from ~frame 8500 on and try to save the 10 frames that were mysteriously lost even with the exact same strats. It shouldn't be more than 3 frames lost over the entire run, not 10 frames lost in less than a minute.

User movie #24590446665668671 I optimised my improvements a bit more, and did my best to make it sync nicely. I had to add around a dozen frames to get it to work, so someone with more experience at syncing runs should be able to do a better job :P

User movie #24592874817851446 Finished, syncs. I almost don't want to touch this file anymore.

I found another 1-frame improvement in the beginning (around the frame 3000), but it seems if you save this frame a certain black screen transition will be 1 frame longer, and I don't know how to fix that. I'll tell you if I find more improvements. EDIT: Well, I'd like to put here the file of the improvement, but Bizhawk just disappeared with it (and I did save it before closing Bizhawk). I'm terrible to learn to use new emulators, where should Bizhawk saved movies go?

Due to TAStudio producing high amounts of "re-records", it probably makes more sense to change the term to "input edits" or similar in encodes for editor based TASes.

Due to TAStudio producing high amounts of "re-records", it probably makes more sense to change the term to "input edits" or similar in encodes for editor based TASes.

Firstly, as I already said (a few times), unless you have 50 combos with 100 presses, all of which you put manually one by one each time, you don't produce high amounts of rerecords just from using tastudio or taseditor. Secondly, no one is blaming you if you end up having 1000 more rerecords than after regular tasing. Thirdly, if you do edit the hell out of your input, you get valid rerecord count no matter how high it is. MESHUGGAH did that, his numbers were insane. Fourthly, your suggestion to call tastudio rerecords NOT rerecords (but input edits which is the same thing) sounds silly. Lastly, stop spreading this rumor about tastudio/taseditor producing high amounts of fake rerecords. If fceux had a bug in counting rerecords and their amount looked too little, it doesn't mean anything.

feos you completely missed my point. The term "re-recording" for movie editors is not appropriate, because there's no recording, there's editing. It's just a better name for it. I also have high amounts of "rerecords" with TAS Editor/TAStudio and I didn't say those were invalid "re-records", I just said it's not the right term.