Posted: 11/13/2015 12:24 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CslkOUAPk-k This is nothing more than a proof of concept at the moment, just trying out the faster RTA strategy for the first level and figuring out whether or not I actually want to tackle this. EDIT: Saved another second off of the above video and I'm sure more can come off. I actually kinda really like TASing this, it's a janky game but it's fun to make that jankiness work. I'll give the first stage the ol' razzle dazzle and see what it ends up looking like after serious optimization/planning. EDIT2: gfycat of the improved section. There isn't a single part of this that doesn't make sense and I love every minute of it. I love video games. EDIT3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKZN32OHk0U Full test of the first stage that's about 7 seconds faster than the published run, but it needs some more work. Last hit on the boss is delayed to get a better boulder pattern that saves 100 frames over my second best attempt without said pattern.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 6:55 PM
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Art. If you catch the very bottom of a climbable wall, you can mash B to climb up into it for some sweet upward... zipping? I can't even really tell what it is. It's not zipping because you get caught at a certain point and have to jump to continue going up, and eventually you get trapped in the wall and crushed to near death (which is why I escape and do the usual ridiculous wallclimb). I think I love this game.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:13 PM
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Sweet stuff, didn't expect this game to become fun.
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Posted: 11/14/2015 10:35 PM
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It's a blast, really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFkmE2IG8Fs Stage 2 happened. It's ridiculously laggy. There are a couple sloppy sections so I'll probably give it another shot later tonight or tomorrow.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 2:05 AM
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If the rest of the game is anything like that first level, this is going to be an amazing TAS. Good luck! Does swinging the whip while the boss is exploding cause any extra lag?
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Posted: 11/15/2015 2:09 AM
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Derakon wrote:
Does swinging the whip while the boss is exploding cause any extra lag?
Yep, every other frame is lag when swinging the whip during the second boss's explosion, so I just scroll it offscreen. Published run does it too, likely for the same reason. Same thing happens at the falling bridge if I'm over to the right too far, it's actually half a second faster to land on the very left edge and drop down from there because moving farther to the right when on the bridge causes lag every other frame.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 3:49 PM
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Oh, I misunderstood when the boss actually dies. Carry on!
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Posted: 11/15/2015 7:11 PM
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Derakon wrote:
If the rest of the game is anything like that first level, this is going to be an amazing TAS. Good luck!
Exactly what I had to say.
Posted: 11/15/2015 7:23 PM
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Derakon wrote:
Oh, I misunderstood when the boss actually dies. Carry on!
Oh, yeah. In case anyone else is confused, the boss has two forms: The head part I'm attacking is meant to separate from the body but I end up killing it before it can separate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8aT6_x-vnA Here, have a 34 frame faster Stage 2, featuring a better falling bridge section and a better boss fight, and a preview of Stage 3 alongside it for actual new content.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 11:52 PM
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Link to video All levels so far. I'm not too happy with how stages 3 and 4 turned out, though, so I might go back and redo them.
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Posted: 11/19/2015 8:31 AM
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Link to video Redone, smoother stage 3, about a second and a half faster (though ~30 frames are lost due to extra lag). This was basically the result of squeezing out a ridiculous amount of frames in the earlier sections to make an earlier spinning platform cycle, and then figuring out a way to actually go through that spinning platform using a careful combination of ducking, standing, and jumping. I'm pretty proud of this. EDIT: Stage 4 is also looking to be around a second faster than the posted version. It's gonna be great to finally move on to walking across a train.
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Posted: 11/19/2015 1:16 PM
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I've said things on IRC, but I just want to post that I'm loving this TAS. You are doing good work. Keep it up! I remember having fun TASing this game. It seems that you are as well.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:40 PM
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Link to video Final version of Stage 4 and preliminary drafts of Stages 5-8. Very short stages, not very fun to TAS. Boss hitboxes are a pain, lag management is even more of a pain. EDIT: Apologies for the graphical glitches around 1:53, those aren't in the game, just me being an idiot with codecs. EDIT2: Link to video I found this while working on Stage 9. Despite the fact that it looks like I'm flying over half the stage, the boss that's normally supposed to be at the end doesn't spawn until you kill the miniboss, and the miniboss is just after this part, so it's basically useless. But it's still fun to watch! I guess! Even if it's a huge disappointment...
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Posted: 11/30/2015 12:15 PM
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Slowly working through this, made it up through Stage 10 recently (it helps that Stage 10 is broken and thus only about 2-3 seconds long). I decided to go through and check exactly how far ahead of the published run I am, which was far more number crunching than I ever needed in my life due to how the game "handles" lag. I'll throw all the data into the submission text, but I'll just say that at the end of Stage 10, I'm 903 frames ahead of the published run when directly comparing: 1001 gameplay frames ahead, but 98 more lag frames. The lag has been rising and dropping drastically over the course of the run, I improve it in some stages and in others it unavoidably shoots up by nearly a full second. It's extra bad in Stage 5, where it lags drastically during the boss fight (when it doesn't in the published run) and doesn't lag at all when the plane takes off (when it does in the published run). This actually loses me gameplay frames, but it's only 32 so I'm not worried about it. Every other stage has gameplay improvements, with Stages 1 and 9 accounting for 10 seconds of improvement alone using strategies from the RTA run. Out of every stage with gameplay improvements, only Stage 8 has more lag than improvements, leading to an overall realtime loss. I don't have an estimate on when I'll finish/submit because Stage 11 (the fish boss) is going to be a pain to optimize, but once I finish that fight, the rest of the run shouldn't take much longer.
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Posted: 7/16/2020 2:39 AM
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I saved about half a second in stage 1, instead of going to the left on the swing upward, I go to the right. I didnt do the boss since it hard: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/64729848373964354
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