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Game objectives

  • Emulator used: 2.5.2 originally, moved to 2.8
  • Take damage to save time
  • Genre: Platform

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So lazy to write a submission

arkiandruski: Claiming for judging.
arkiandruski: Based on discussion, I'm accepting this run as fastest completion with the currently published movie as the N. Tropy branch. "N. Tropy" will also be changed to Moons for the moment.
Spikestuff: Publishing.

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So any% is pretty much very comparable to N. Tropy. Just that there are two major differences which are as follows: N. Trance is the final boss in this category, not N. Tropy. This also in its game definition as a "normal ending" as it would prompt a question going "The End?" whereas defeating N. Tropy is a "good/true ending". Defeating Tropy also gives off a loop sort of deal in its cutscene, basically making the events of the game itself make sense. Since it's a misunderstanding by Uka Uka where he believes that N. Tropy succeeded in capturing the Bandicoots. 12 Gem Shards are ignored, meaning that 3 levels (ignoring Tropy) are avoided. For anyone at home Gem Shards appear in 12 of the 21 levels which would then unlock the final 3 levels, before facing the true boss N. Tropy, Majority of the route would stay consistently the same with minor deviations to the N. Tropy TAS. To emphasize how close the deviancy is. This TAS is roughly 2 minutes shorter then opting to get the Gem Shards to unlock the future levels, and the true boss. In my opinion, this is a well made TAS showcasing true speed, but the slight difference is what I would argue would place this as a playground TAS and not a publishable one, especially when the ending to N. Trance is still available in N. Tropy. The site technically has a precedent where doing majority of the game, is played, but not all requirements are done, but it's a very loose one in an argumentative way. This also ends up being my fault personally, by suggesting this submission thanks to the introduction of playground and the site rule changes which should slightly challenge where this would end up, unless it's obvious to the Judges.
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I would like to have a discussion to see how members of the site feel. Should this run be seen as completing the game, which would qualify it as Standard fastest completion? How should we deal with the other submission which beat N. Tropy?
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If gameplay would not be identical between normal ending and best ending, it feels similar to #7453: Tee-N-Tee, DarkShamilKhan, ParadaxeTH, Aglar & Zurggriff's Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog 2 "100%" in 32:25.82. And even if it's identical, we're not so sure about the whole superseding mechanic anymore.
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I'm not familiar with this game, but if this ending requires different enough routing from the "good ending" (i.e. routing levels without having to pick up certain shards) then I think that's worth having as a separate run. Personally I think we should be allowing different endings as Standard branches in general. I don't think that would be too controversial.
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I think I agree that if we want to be a site that tracks records as well as provide video footage of the game, the fastest completion should be any run that gets to the end of the game, even if it isn't the ideal end and even if the good ending run has all the content of the bad ending. There's still the problem of what to do for the movie already on the site. I'm all for making different endings eligible for a Wiki: Standard category. That feels objective enough to me. As it stands now, that is not a Standard class and I can't just decide by myself it should count. It's possible if we accept this, we can choose not to obsolete the previous run and move N. Tropy ending to Wiki: Moons. Currently, the class has an entertainment requirement. The movie on this site has a rating of 6.77. That feels borderline to me, and if we do change so that different endings can qualify for Standard, then we'll have to remember to switch it back. I might be willing to do this. I don't want to obsolete the previous movie because these two movies have different goals and both goals are legitimate ways to finish the game. Beating N. Tropy isn't full completion either.
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Which parts of the best ending requirements are included in "101%"?
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From what I see, in addition to the Gem Shards, 101% also gets regular gems, colored gems and relics. Relics are given for completing a time trial after you already cleared the level once.
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Okay so while I think some day we want to make best ending acceptable to Standard in its own regard even if it's not the fullest completion, I also think rating above 6 is already decent for Moons. I feel if the goal is really objective, we should not require the same entertainment value from it as we do from playaround for example. Clarify of the goal and entertainment value should be able to compensate each other if needed. So I'd allow the bad ending branch to Standard alongside full completion, and best ending for Moons.
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How we branching it is the question? Do we follow the RTA community naming "N. Tropy" as "defeat N. Tropy" when translated to the site, or does "N. Trance" get a branch instead?
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Spikestuff wrote:
How we branching it is the question? Do we follow the RTA community naming "N. Tropy" as "defeat N. Tropy" when translated to the site, or does "N. Trance" get a branch instead?
Can we name them "good/bad ending"?
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feos wrote:
Can we name them "good/bad ending"?
I personally lean against that when we can state what the goal actually is, there's no true "bad ending" in this game, there's only good.
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Okay then I would personally prefer having "", "N. Tropy", and "101%". "Beat/defeat N. Tropy" feels like trying to put a full sentence in a branch, which is only okay if we can't help it. So I think just "N. Tropy" is neater.
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feos wrote:
So I think just "N. Tropy" is neater.
I agree. I was just thinking how the actual RTA category would translate to TASVideos.
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [4872] GBA Crash Bandicoot 2: N-Tranced by Gibran in 22:07.90