Stronghold (Compute's Gazette)

Nine of your best men are suddenly trapped by an enemy attack, using force fields. Your only hope is to find a way to deactivate them. But the pursing enemy forces don't have a perfect plan, as they have laid out security consoles, that grant access to these variant force fields. The only problem...is that they are hard to find, in the winding maze-like caves. Its up to you, to locate these console for the necessary security clearness . But watch out! Aliens are all around and have come to take you down, as they exert their authority over your mining operation. The stronghold of the enemy has risen, and you must prevail! - NYMX (I had to come up with something, since I can't find an article. LOL)
The article for this game can be found on page G-25 of Compute! Issue 128 (April 1991)

Why TAS This Game?

The continuation of TASing games from my all-time favorite magazine, Compute's Gazette. This makes my 25th TAS from this series.
Here is an awesome game that I never knew anything about. Every since the cancellation of the magazine series, Compute! decided to let the Gazette continue alongside the parent series. Eventually, they would start disk only issues...eliminating the need for typing in any programs published that month. I never knew about this disk series, and I'm saddened by this...as I would have loved it when this game came by. It is amazing!!
Previous Compute's Gazette submissions include (In order of submission):

Game Ending

Once you have rescued all nine prisoners, returning to the starting point will end the game with confirmation screen.

Map Creation

I am so glad that I took the time to create a map of this game, as it helped out tremendously in understanding what I was able to do in this game. Most obviously, is my routing and where I could apply the tricks that I have learned in it.

Effort In TASing

I have been TASing this game for about 8-10 hours a days. When I started, I didn't realize what I was about to get in to. My original attempt, which was finished and about to be submitted, was played out as the game was intended. No glitches, but utilizing deaths to help navigate the caverns a bit quicker. As I searched for more frames, I ran into a strange occurrence and saw my ship clip a platform. I was asking myself, "Why did that happen?". After continuing, I started to see more of this...because I was doing all that I can to cut more time. Eventually, I saw a number of things that was happening that led to me finding a way to clip and pass through walls...thus glitching the game out in a number of places.
Here are some details that I discovered on how this glitch works:

Clipping Glitch

  • Sprite Collision must be triggered. This happens when any sprite is touching another object.
    • Aliens floating around inside the wall.
    • Platforms that have functionality. (IE. Security Console, Save Platforms)
    • Firing shots into the wall
    • Can be done a lot easier going downwards, as upwards has it own problems to overcome.
      • Upward movement needs to have an functional object, embed within the wall
      • Need to have a wall that can be shot, as you enter going up. (This is not so easy to do or find, thus resorting to an alternative method, described below)
  • Screen Transitions
    • Almost acts like a "Pause", where there is a moment that the code stops detection on objects
    • Must be done on the edge of the screen, going back and forward to prevent collision detect, as you move in a desired direction
    • Can be used in combination with normal wall clipping to help speed up the process.

Previous Encode

This is the encode that I was about to use for this submission, until I discovered this major glitch

Human Comparison

This video does an alright job showing the normal game play, but you'll see that the gamer is squeamish about moving around and touching Security Console and Save Stations. Also appears to be the first time through, since navigating this large map is very confusing at first.

nymx: Replaced movie file with a 728 frame improvement.
nymx: Replaced with another movie file that is 449 fraster still. Glitches...so hard to optimize. :(

ViGadeomes: Claiming for judging.

nymx: grrrr. I think this should be it. Last update of 167 more frames cut.

ViGadeomes: Well done finding this glitch but hurgh my eyes !
Publisher: An epilepsie warning on publication ?
Otherwise, it seems good to me, Accepting !

despoa: Processing...


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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #8458: nymx's C64 Stronghold in 01:41.49
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having watched both I preferred the un-glitched run, for whatever that's worth. it got a bit long, especially with the monotonous scenery and lack of music, but at least I had a sense of how the game was supposed to be played.
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Well, I couldn't stop searching and I finally figured out how the magazine merged with Compute!. The "Compute's Gazette" was placed within Compute! as an insert. So, there is separate numbering system and it shows a "G-##". Now that I have the article, I see some information that I couldn't figure out. I might have to supply an updated movie file, if my theory works...but for now, Enjoy! Oh, submission was updated with a link to the article.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Alright, I was thinking on DrD2k9's question and I finally figured something out. This led to me thinking of another route, and it paid off. 728 frames have been cut and a new encode has been provided.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [5476] C64 Stronghold by nymx in 01:41.49