..so, reiterating what I've already posted, if any mp4 can be read by anything that can read any mp4, why can my MPC read Omega's mp4 but not Boat's?
EDIT: THe reason turns out to be, as I discovered while using a program to identify and remove duplicate files (cleaned up 3 GB of them), that Omega's "MP4" is just an AVI with the wrong extension. I actually can't play MP4 files.
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Just tried a few different Media Player Classic / K-Lite configurations. I uninstalled and everything reinstalled each time.
When you install K-Life, can:
-choose to install CoreAVC DirectShow decoder
-choose to install ffdshow
-choose to have ffdshow play back MP4V
There's also this little checkbox here:
K-Lite Basic installed
- no support (as expected)
K-Lite Standard | CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (play MP4V) | Play QuickTime files
- works
K-Lite Standard | CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (don't play MP4V) | Don't Play QuickTime (QT uninstalled)
- works
K-Lite Standard | No CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (play MP4V) | Don't play QuickTime files (QT uninstalled)
- works
K-Lite Standard | No CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (don't play MP4V) | Don't Play QuickTime
- works (ffdshow is probably just using its XviD decoder instead; shows how much redundancy is built into this thing)
K-Lite Standard | No CoreAVC DirectShow | No ffdshow | Don't Play QuickTime
- no support (obviously)
Normally I don't use K-Lite but it appears that portman.mp4 works in pretty much every configuration unless you specifically tell it, for the love of god, never play an MPEG-4 movie on this machine (see last option).
http://s3plan.com/showerscene.mp4
Here's another H.264 MP4 for you. This time I encoded it with QuickTime Pro, using the official H.264 encoders from MPEG-LA. If it doesn't work, you're doing something wrong.
EDIT: THe reason turns out to be, as I discovered while using a program to identify and remove duplicate files (cleaned up 3 GB of them), that Omega's "MP4" is just an AVI with the wrong extension.
Virtual Dub as it allows pretty everything you can do with a movie-file (cut, append, mix, encode etc.) and it doesn't support mp4 at all which is a big minus in my book.
Yeah, that's the big one. If someone could add MP4 output to VirtualDubMod (and not just a half-ass AVI file extension change, either), that would make things a lot easier for people.
I've actually looked into existing GPL programs that could be used in VDubMod with a simple function call / minimal programming effort. There's stuff like "mp4box" that will mux an audio stream and a video stream into a proper MP4 file, but it requires that the audio stream be AAC, and VDubMod only supports MP3.
There's nothing stopping MP3 audio from going into an MP4 file -- it's part of the spec -- but "mp4box" wasn't built to recognize MP3. There always seems to be a catch with open-source, because everything's built to be just adequate enough for whatever they're doing -- if you want to add anything else to it, they think, you can write it yourself, because everyone in Linux Land is a programmer.
There's nothing stopping MP3 audio from going into an MP4 file -- it's part of the spec -- but "mp4box" wasn't built to recognize MP3. There always seems to be a catch with open-source, because everything's built to be just adequate enough for whatever they're doing -- if you want to add anything else to it, they think, you can write it yourself, because everyone in Linux Land is a programmer.
Well, that's what free software is about, isn't it? Scratching your own itch, and then making the scratch available to others who might have the same itch. :)
That being said, many free software programmers are happy to take suggestions... as long as they're being made in a nice, polite and civilised way. You may want to try that.
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Regarding the bframe argument....
** MUXER_LAVF *****************************************************************
If you wish to use libavformat muxing, you must ensure that your video stream
does not contain B frames (out of order decoding) and specify:
-lavfopts i_certify_that_my_video_stream_does_not_use_b_frames
on the command line.
REMEMBER: MEncoder's libavformat muxing is presently broken and will generate
INCORRECT files in the presence of B frames. Moreover, due to bugs MPlayer
will play these INCORRECT files as if nothing were wrong!
*******************************************************************************
mencoder MP4 encoding is also currently hit or miss, so it'll have to wait until that's fixed.
Edit:
Here's what I made: http://nsrt.edgeemu.com/smb-ll.mp4 feel free to test it.
However the video doesn't look that great, perhaps because sticking x264 videos into MP4s doesn't work, that's XviD at a bit rate designed to give a file which is in the same size as the x264 AVI.
And for reasons I don't know, it desyncs.
Here's the options used:
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That being said, many free software programmers are happy to take suggestions... as long as they're being made in a nice, polite and civilised way. You may want to try that.
Oh stop. Just because I'm assertive doesn't mean I'm being impolite or uncivilized.
And anyway, I've left posts on SourceForge, though I don't think much will come of them, just because the project really hasn't been active for 3 years, and none of the other requests seem to be going anywhere. There's only one person who can save VirtualDubMod now:
http://s3plan.com/jesus.mp4
Oh stop. Just because I'm assertive doesn't mean I'm being impolite or uncivilized.
Well...
Only in MPC's case, due to its schizophrenia of having potentially three fucking decoders in separate places that do the same goddam [sic] thing.
MPEG-4 gets me angry, man. Some people get pissed about sloppy, IE-only web design. For me, it's about the general apathy towards seeing the best media format on earth go to shit.
And I'm not getting "worked up." I've been up over 24 hours at this point. I feel like Jack Bauer. Hunting down the evil AVI-using terrorists.
There always seems to be a catch with open-source, because everything's built to be just adequate enough for whatever they're doing -- if you want to add anything else to it, they think, you can write it yourself, because everyone in Linux Land is a programmer.
I'm just saying that you should probably try to come across as less of a zealot - it tends to alienate people.
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Drop this pathetic argument, on with the original discussion.
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>http://s3plan.com/showerscene.mp4
WMP: video and audio works after forcing open
Winamp: audio only
QuickTime: error when opening file (but QuickTime won't open my other H264 files either)
>If it doesn't work, you're doing something wrong.
Right. Because obviously you can't be wrong. I have to be doing something wrong while choosing File->Open and clicking on the file. :/
I wouldn't mind at all changing formats to something which works for everyone, but MP4 is obviously not it.
I agree with you about Linux Land though.
smb-II.mp4 - plays fine
portman.mp4 - resizes window to what I assume is the correct resolution, then crashes
showerscene.mp4 - resizes window to what I assume is the correct resolution, then crashes
jesus.mp4 - resizes window to what I assume is the correct resolution, then crashes
Sorry.
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WMP: video and audio works after forcing open
Winamp: audio only
QuickTime: error when opening file (but QuickTime won't open my other H264 files either)
>If it doesn't work, you're doing something wrong.
Right. Because obviously you can't be wrong. I have to be doing something wrong while choosing File->Open and clicking on the file. :/
So Windows Media Player plays the file flawlessly, then. Your file format defaults are irrelevant. You have to "force" it to open in WMP because you told the MP4 extension to open in another program by default.
And you're not running QuickTime 7 (out since April 2005). QuickTime 6 doesn't have H.264 support, of course it wouldn't work.
Since Winamp piggybacks on QuickTime libraries, it won't play in that either.
So in other words, yes, you are doing something wrong:
Mister Boat wrote:
Try opening in all of these:
- QuickTime 7 (QT7 added H.264 support)
- VLC (don't know how recently they added H.264 support)
- Windows Media Player with ffdshow or DefilerPak
Dear Mister Boat, mencoder or any other encoder as featureful as mencoder doesn't support .mp4 well.
That means you can use your .mp4 format as much as you like but we won't use it.
I hope you understand.
So. Right. Thanks for glossing over my posts. I can play .H264 fine in MPC but not your MP4s. There's no file extension conflict or any crap like that, and I can play other MP4s like Nach's fine.
What does this mean?
-MP4 is not so universal as you say.
-There is at least one perfectly working system which can play AVI-style .H264 but not MP4-style.
So what am I "doing wrong"? Refusing to install Quicktime?
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So. Right. Thanks for glossing over my posts. I can play .H26 fine in MPC but not your MP4s. There's no file extension conflict or any crap like that, and I can play other MP4s like Nach's fine.
I glossed over your posts because you weren't providing me with any information other than DOESN'T WORK. Gee, that helps a lot.
Nach's MP4 is just another AVI file with the extension changed. You can open Gspot to get all the stats on it.
Anyway, we've already been over the flaw in MPC that comes down to really obscure circumstances of it having three redundant decoders and it choosing the one that isn't there.
MPC is the SOLE exception to the rule, and it's likely temporary. (In fact it may have been fixed already, since I tried running my MP4 through MPC with every possible decoder combination.) Try opening it in anything else but MPC and it will work.
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Mister Boat wrote:
Nach's MP4 is just another AVI file with the extension changed.
No it isn't.
Playing smb-ll.mp4.
Quicktime/MOV file format detected.
VIDEO: [mp4v] 256x224 24bpp 59.949 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
/home/nach/CVS/zsnes/src> ~/nachapps/navi smb-ll.mp4
Nach's AVI Info Dumper (C) 2005 Nach
Filename: smb-ll.mp4
Does not appear to be a RIFF file.
Now I'm starting to doubt what else you've passed us as facts.
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I glossed over your posts because you weren't providing me with any information other than DOESN'T WORK. Gee, that helps a lot.
Resizes the window, gives me the length of the video, but then crashes. If you want more info tell me where to find it.
Mister Boat wrote:
Try opening it in anything else but MPC and it will work.
Doesn't open in WinAMP 5. Windows Media Player crashes with error "The instruction at "0x00000000" referenced memory at "0x00000000". The memory could not be "read"."
I opened it in "anything else".
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Whatever. All I know is I just installed K-Lite Standard on a minutes-old installation of Windows (separate partition), and every MP4 file posted in this thread played in both Media Player Classic and Windows Media Player.
I would take a screenshot of it, but I'm sure you know what happens when you take a screenshot of a DirectShow window. I can't explain what's wrong with your computers, and I'm getting tired of talking about it, and I'm sure you're getting tired of hearing it.
K-Lite Basic installed
- no support (as expected)
K-Lite Standard | CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (play MP4V) | Play QuickTime files
- works
K-Lite Standard | CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (don't play MP4V) | Don't Play QuickTime (QT uninstalled)
- works
K-Lite Standard | No CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (play MP4V) | Don't play QuickTime files (QT uninstalled)
- works
K-Lite Standard | No CoreAVC DirectShow | ffdshow (don't play MP4V) | Don't Play QuickTime
- works (ffdshow is probably just using its XviD decoder instead; shows how much redundancy is built into this thing)
K-Lite Standard | No CoreAVC DirectShow | No ffdshow | Don't Play QuickTime
- no support (obviously)
Normally I don't use K-Lite but it appears that portman.mp4 works in pretty much every configuration unless you specifically tell it, for the love of god, never play an MPEG-4 movie on this machine (see last option).
http://s3plan.com/showerscene.mp4
Here's another H.264 MP4 for you. This time I encoded it with QuickTime Pro, using the official H.264 encoders from MPEG-LA. If it doesn't work, you're doing something wrong.
