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Xipo wrote:
Whatever Soig said is really meaningless.You are a gaint infant,even a scoundrel.Maybe nobody can kill you,but I can sue you in China/Bilibili.You've received the punishment you deserve there.I advise you not to be too arrogant.Most players can beat your works since principle of tas.You are just one very common taser.
Xipo please stop you are not helping at all.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Soig wrote:
Memory wrote:
I did not reject your run due to EZGames69's WIP. I rejected your run due to the known submission that completed the game faster: #6091: Mr_K's SNES Contra III: The Alien Wars "2 players" in 12:48.97. Should that submission have been canceled to begin with? Probably not, but that wasn't our decision.
WIP is not here. It's for contra force.
Could you bring it up in that thread then? I was confused because you were talking about it in the contra 3 thread.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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So first of all, right next to the submit button there is the following:
By pressing "Save/Edit" you agree to publish this content under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license.
This means that if you submit to tasvideos.org you give us irrevocable permissions to keep your movie hosted. I'm sad that you want to take down your movies but this is just how things are handled.
Now as for the pacifist run from 2012, if things went how you said they did, I believe accepting that run was a mistake on our part. A known record is absolutely a known record. The rules are clear in that regard.
I did not reject your run due to EZGames69's WIP. I rejected your run due to the known submission that completed the game faster: #6091: Mr_K's SNES Contra III: The Alien Wars "2 players" in 12:48.97. Should that submission have been canceled to begin with? Probably not, but that wasn't our decision.
I do not expect perfection from you. I do not expect perfection from anyone. Perfection is nearly impossible to prove after all. I merely expect collaboration and team work.
Please do not make the judges and publishers jobs out to be easy. I'm still a TASer myself and know very much the struggles that come along with it.
This attitude of yours deeply saddens me as I used to hugely respect your work. I really hope you don't quit due to all this.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Could slowing down to take care of extra sprites on the screen be viable for the sections with tons of lag? Or is it not worth the time spent?
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
There isn't a "NTSC" mode for GBC, since it's a handheld they run the same.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Yes
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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You do know that it doesn't matter who makes the last improvement. Due to this being a frame war, we're going to need to make a new submission and include all the contributors.
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Warp wrote:
It's more like traditional figure skating rating system, which rates the performance based on three categories: Technical merit, required elements, and presentation.
In this case it's just technical merit and entertainment..
Those figure skating ratings were delivered by judges, not by a more general audience. TASing is also more complex than skating when it comes to technical complexity. I don't see what merit that type of system offers over a more simplistic one for our purposes.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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feos wrote:
We've had a long talk with Nach regarding tech ratings, how useless they are in my opinion, and how incredibly helpful and accurate they are in his opinion.
I think that we already know all the problems that relate to separating ratings, I mean I don't think we should completely drop one or the other, but rather combine everything into one scale. When you rate a movie on IMDB you just take everything into account and express how much you liked it, that's all. So some people may like technicality of a sub-one-second ACE movie, others may like a full run, same with optimality or anything else really. I see no problems with generalizing it.
I totally agree with this solution.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Honestly I really dislike the very concept of a technical rating to begin with. Ultimately it either relies on the quality and thoroughness of the submission text if it is to include techniques that are not visible via watching or it simply tells how many techniques were visible via watching which will probably reflect in entertainment score regardless and doesn't seem that useful to me. Pretty much all other forms of media only have one rating metric: entertainment. When you rate a movie on say IMDb, you don't get offered a second rating for cinematography. It's just not needed.
I understand that people want movies to be appreciated for their technical accomplishments, but I don't feel a technical rating is the right way to go about that. Ultimately, only those who understand the ins and outs of a game can truly appreciate the amount of effort that goes into making the TAS. Ultimately what actually gets appreciated is the documentation of said process rather than the actual achievement.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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CoolHandMike wrote:
In my case I only try to vote on games that I really understand well or are obvious in one direction or another. Also the criteria are so ambiguous.
Technical could mean many things. What about runs that are extremely time consuming but boil down to brute force approach to find really fast sections? It may only use a single trick but may be dozens of hours. But should another run that uses some assembly information that only took the author a couple minutes to acquire get a higher rating?
Entertainment is also poorly explained. Look no further than Masterjun's Mario 3 run. The video itself contains next to no game play but you had people rating wildly differently for different reasons. Although I think this is the better of the two criteria.
Also I am from the USA and in our school rating system a 70 is just barely passing. So should I at least minimum rate 70 since almost all of these tases I find passable? Or should it be like a standard distribution where normally good criteria should be around a 5?
So yea. It would need some changes if you want people like me to vote more.
Are you aware of the Voting Guidelines?
Come to think of it, since rating a movie no longer takes you off the page you were on previously, I don't think this is linked anymore where you perform ratings.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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DrD2k9 wrote:
I mostly understand what the ratings are used for regarding the site. But if so few are concerned with the ratings to begin with, should we really be using them to determine these things on the site?
This is part of why I want to know why people don't rate TASes. If people's problems with the rating system stem with execution, we could potentially fix that. If the problem is the whole concept of rating to begin with, then I don't think we should rely on it for these systems.
Disclaimer: I don't have any other suggestions for tier changes. But I don't like the idea that ratings affect player points. I personally feel player points (as a quantitative value) should be based more on the quantity of currently published content that person has produced, not on how others qualitatively perceive the content that's been produced; I have no problem with losing points due to obsoletion.
I dislike this idea because one could more easily farm player's points by barely pushing the bar with one's submissions as opposed to having quality impact them. If we are to have such a system, I feel it should not rely solely on quantity. The "number of published movies" statistic already exists, there is no need to duplicate it.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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DrD2k9 wrote:
Who actually cares and pays attention to these ratings other than those doing the ratings? (legitimate non-rhetorical question)
It's one of the factors used in determining tiering. In fact it's pretty much the only factor post publication that can result in a tier change. Of course you could argue about how much tiering matters, but it very much affects whether or not certain TASes can be published here at the very least.
EDIT: I would not be against the idea that ratings should be phased out and other methods be used to determine tier.
Ratings are also used in calculating player's points but your mileage may vary on whether or not those matter.
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[20:55:11] <Spikestuff_> Never have I ever thought I was going to put in the words "out muscles" to a description for a TAS.
[20:55:14] <Spikestuff_> Thanks Tempo.
[21:43:32] <adelikat> at least it wasn't bug penis
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[21:43:51] <MemoryTAS> I like to think that was in response
[21:44:13] <adelikat> it's the correct response
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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I've been talking and wondering why exactly people haven't been rating as much. I would like for people that don't rate post-publication to explain why.
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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It's been decided that the winning team of this contest will get to slap EZGames with a fish.
Confirmation from EZ himself:
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note to self don't take DrD2k9 as seriously
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DrD2k9 wrote:
EZGames69 wrote:
This is punishment for tricking me into doing Donald Land.
Donald Land wasn't that bad.
EZ and I have a bit of a rapport... Don't take what he's saying too seriously.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
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This game is kinda weird and dumb.
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If yall pull together a team last minute that would be hilarious.
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Do the other scenarios share the same ending?
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With truncated blank input, that's now sub 2:12, nice stuff.
EDIT: User movie #58944203154937925
9 frames saved off Bloop's file after I truncated the blank input he left at the end. All this improvement was lag reduction by changing up the locations of where we let go of right or press left.
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User movie #58933875880859104
Couldn't find any improvements on stage 1, I think that's tapped. Stage 2 seems tapped as well but I might have overlooked something. Stage 3 I found 9 additional frames of improvement on. If there's much left to find, it'd probably be in stage 3.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
