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Don't like the way the waste-able frames were wasted? Make a better run. Voting based on your opinion of one of its authors? Grow up. Have anything else irrelevant to say? Keep it to yourself.
I'd like to say that requiring everyone who criticizes a work to make something better themselves is not being receptive to criticism. You don't have to be the cook to criticize the food. I would like to believe that the point of the workbench is provide constructive criticism to submissions, though replies like these unfortunately show that some users do not wish this to be the case.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Since there is no visual confirmation of actually collecting the medallions in the TAS itself since the light arrows cutscene only requires 2 of the 6 medallions, I made sure to check the pause menu towards the end of the TAS to confirm that all the medallions were indeed collected.
I can't say I like not having visual proof in the TAS itself to show people that the glitches do what it is claimed they do. With this TAS you need to already know how the game works to know that he got the medallions, just take the author's word for it or do what I did, which was interrupt the TAS in the emulator to check the menu. There have been at least one submission in the past where it did not actually do what the author said it does, so verification of these kinds of things is important.
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Warp wrote:
It just baffles me that OoT seems to be the only game in existence for which this is happening. Why OoT in particular?
The answer to this is simple: Ocarina of Time is really really really broken. There's more variation in the arbitrary tasks you can do compared to a lot of games. Though SM64 does actually have some arbitrary TASes of its own (See the minimum a-press videos out there). They just happen to not be submitted to TASVideos as often.
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Patashu wrote:
OoT any% is also distinguished by the fact that the RTA any% route is not possible to TAS, since it relies on a glitch that crashes the game on N64 and only works in VC.
I seem to remember some kind of discussion about this, and the consensus was that Wii VC versions of games would probably be accepted. I might remember wrong.
I believe this to be the case, but I'm not certain.
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Patashu wrote:
OoT any% is also distinguished by the fact that the RTA any% route is not possible to TAS, since it relies on a glitch that crashes the game on N64 and only works in VC. So there is not a huge incentive to go to all the work of doing the VC route when it's unclear what the result will even be (accepted as a new category? accepted and obsoleting old any%? rejected for technical issues?). But there's also not much incentive to simply improve on the old any% TAS. Why bother when it's so much work and the outdated way to do any%? Add on top that N64 TASing is so difficult to begin with and you have a perfect storm to not want to TAS OoT any%.
I believe according to the rules it would be acceptable to do such a TAS on dolphin if one wants to exploit VC glitches.
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Now I'm going to hold off on addressing most of the discussion until later but there is one thing I want to address right now.
Warp wrote:
I feel compelled to repeat my puzzlement about why people seem so eager to create TASes of obscure unpopular categories, rather than the absolute holy grail of OoT speedrunning, by far the most popular category, ie. any%.
The reason for this is simple: fun. People may be interested in obscure goals for various reasons, but the reason that seems most clear to me is simply the lack of prior work put into that goal. You get to do more of your own routing and finding strategies than optimizing previous people's work. For some, that is more fun to do.
If one then decides to do a more mainstream category, they are more practiced before tackling it. If not oh well.
TASing is an incredible hobby and I love for people to get into it in any way they want, even if it involves silly categories. Whether such silly categories have a place being published on TASVideos is an entirely separate issue that I will address in my judgment, but not all TASing needs to be done with the intent of being published on TASVideos.
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Nach wrote:
Memory wrote:
Keep in mind that every year, new people enter TASing, with their own ideas on entertainment. It is very much possible for these people to not like this run's entertainment methods.
It also possible the same person that liked it back then was not entertained by segments which were played similarly because they've seen it already and want something different.
Indeed, there are plenty of valid reasons for a change in voting behavior. We can't really assume. The actual posts are more important anyways.
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BrunoVisnadi wrote:
Either everyone suddenly doesn't like HappyLee's entertainment choices for SMB anymore (which they consistently used to like for many years), or the reason they are voting No and Meh are completely unrelated to the movie.
Keep in mind that every year, new people enter TASing, with their own ideas on entertainment. It is very much possible for these people to not like this run's entertainment methods. Yes there are probably some that voted no or meh for reasons outside of the TAS itself, but I see no reason to assume all of these votes were for such reasons.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
Some people prefer a more minimalist approach to entertainment and there is nothing wrong with that. Most people do seem to like your entertainment method and you should be proud of that. However, I don't see any need to declare any one entertainment method as superior, nor to be insulted when one does not like your own personal entertainment method.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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GoddessMaria is now a forum moderator.
Congratulations to you too, Maria!
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Thank you very much for this opportunity, I hope I do you all proud!
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Very very well done, looks extremely clean! Yes vote!
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
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Warepire wrote:
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Happy Birthday! :D
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Well done on the sub 5! Can't wait for the youtube encode on this one.
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Nice work. I don't think TASVideos uses labels like "Any%", but I imagine a solution for branches can be found nonetheless.
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You've done a good job as senior judge, Moth. Good luck with your future, wherever it may lead you.
EDIT: Will there be a need for any additional judges as a result of this?
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sugarfoot wrote:
Hello,
I have started work on a 2P TAS for Arcade Double Dragon, and am wondering if there are any restrictions on use of multiple credits?
Example: I am considering a run where I intentionally keep a character dead for certain sections of game, and use a continue to bring them back (goal being lag reduction in places where the second player isn't adding any value)
I know intentional deaths are allowed, but is a TAS considered acceptable if the fastest strategy requires using multiple credits/continues?
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RobynS wrote:
Well to answer OP's question there are at least a couple.;)
You and Maria are both pretty darn good btw! <3
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Nach wrote:
Never apologize for who you are.
Believe in yourself, and be self confident. You are unique, you are special, you are you.
One should never apologize for who they are, of course. However, "who you are" might not appear to be as simple as it is on the surface. If you are disappointed in "who you are" then maybe that isn't truly you. IMO you are who you strive to be. I tried accepting myself as how I was described before by others and it did not work out at all. However, when I started trying to be the person I wanted to be, I became much happier and more confident. This included not only things like attitudes and mannerisms, but also things like gender. In the end, I've become a much more happy and confident person so I'd say it was worth it and justified.
EDIT: I would like to not drag out this tangent too much longer in this topic, if Nach or others would like to discuss with me, shoot me a pm on forum. I would do IRC, but I'm on a backup laptop that likes to disconnect from the internet every 2 seconds.
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Nach wrote:
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Being disappointed in one's gender is sort of different from not believing in yourself in other ways
No group is perfect, and you can find fault with all of them.
If you're disappointed in a group as a whole, of which includes yourself, it is a strong indication of a lack of self respect and self confidence.
If you yourself are imperfect, you can work on it. If those around you are imperfect, you can advise them how to improve. Taking responsibility for those around you doing their own thing of which you differ on, in cases where they are not your subordinates, is you either really not appreciating yourself for you, or thinking to yourself that those around you are your subordinates when they are not.
I think we're talking about two different things. Being disappointed in an entire gender and that you're in it isn't really good I agree. I however interpreted the comment as simply a desire to be a different gender rather than a comment on the gender itself. I see that as a preference rather than a lack of confidence. Nothing wrong with wanting to wear blue instead of red or vice versa.
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HappyLee wrote:
And there could be guys setting their gender flag as female for some reasons, so it's hard to tell what the real situation is.
Nothing keeping this from being the other way around either.
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WST wrote:
but being kind of disappointed with my gender
Never apologize for who you are.
Believe in yourself, and be self confident. You are unique, you are special, you are you.
Being disappointed in one's gender is sort of different from not believing in yourself in other ways, but I don't want to get into it here. I would be interested in talking to you about it WST if you want.
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Didn't know much about this game before, but I saw that it got broken a bunch recently, and I'm glad to see this TAS taking advantage of all the new finds and looks really good in the process. Yes vote!
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Nice work! Yes vote!
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Nice work!
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