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TASVideoAgent wrote:
I didn`t get the best route (i know , i know !)
Then why did you not correct this, if I may ask?
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[18:31:26] <BimmyLee> in the Nach species, the feos is vestigial
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Warp wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
Not sure why you're bringing it up here. Not sure why you're bringing up the license either, as we don't involve the license in judging movies or plagiarism.
Just making a note that cancelling doesn't technically speaking stop the run from being published.
It technically doesn't. In practice, it will never happen.
Warp wrote:
significant amounts of run material has been directly copied without author permission or credit
As I said, by submitting the movie, the author relinquishes his rights to stop other people from using the data in accordance to the license. Other people do not need the author's permission.
And as I said, we don't care if the license means we can do whatever to the movie. Again, this is not about the letter of the law (license in this case), but about respecting the author's wishes.
If the author does not wish for the run to be published, signified by cancelling the run, then we will not publish it because it contradicts the author's wishes. That the license allows us to is not relevant. But we won't do it.
Warp wrote:
And my question was not about "what if someone copies big part of the movie without giving credit?"
Your question was about "slightly modifying" the movie, i.e. copying most of it, and stated nothing about credit. I answered both cases about whether the other author gives credit, or whether he does not. In either case, if the author does not grant permission to publish what's (at least mostly) his work, it will not be accepted. If he does grant permission, it can be accepted, but then he may just as well uncancel the previous work already.
Bottom line: we do not publish run material if the author does not want it published. This has nothing to do with what the license states, but just how judging, publication and site rules work.
Warp wrote:
It just seems odd to me that someone can effectively "hijack" a game completion by submitting it and then cancelling it, even though the author specifically gave explicit permission to publish it when he submitted, and cannot revoke that permission (according to the very license that he accepted.) If another submission is "too similar" to it, then it may be considered unpublishable on that count (because it uses too much of the original data "without the author's permission", even though you don't need the author's permission.)
I like to be considerate to the submitter's wishes as they are at present, and not at the time of pressing the submit button. People can change their minds.
The "hijack" issue can be annoying indeed (for example, there is the notorious Clue run from several years back, halting a Clue publication for quite a few years).
However, the solution is not to publish a run when the author has made clear he didn't want it published. That is just disrepectful towards the author.
Perhaps a solution would be to allow submissions by other people that tie the cancelled run's record, as long as it can reasonably be figured out that the author at least mostly independently created the run. (Though his would probably be hard to prove). Sorta similar to #3256: p4wn3r's GBC Pokémon: Yellow Version in 01:09.63, except the input file actually is available in this case.
jlun2 wrote:
On another related note, has Masterjun commented this on irc or the like? :o
Yes. A few days ago he told me how he didn't like his run, because he considered it cheap. If you want to know more, you'd probably best just ask him.
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"Precursor" in English translates to "Precursor" in Spanish. Who'd have thought?
Precursor means "something that happens before something else", or in this case, "the person who owned/administrated this site before the current owners/admins". Bisqwit is after all the site's founder and its administrator for its first five years.
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Warp wrote:
What happens if someone takes the run, modifies it slightly, and then submits it? It will be like 99% identical, and the license allows doing that. Would it be published?
If not, then what if it used 50% of the original? 20%? Where's the limit?
That has nothing to do with what we've been talking about or this run. Not sure why you're bringing it up here. Not sure why you're bringing up the license either, as we don't involve the license in judging movies or plagiarism.
Anyhow, there's no hard number or percentage of how much a run can be "modified" to pass as another run, but if it can be reasonably inferred that significant amounts of run material has been directly copied without author permission or credit, then that submission would be rejected and the author could be up for a ban. (And no, submitting another person's work with credit but without permission is not allowed either - see thesesubmissions for example).
See also: Movie Rules - The must be properly attributed
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Warp wrote:
Just noting that when one submits to this website, there's a clause that says: "By pressing "Save/Edit" you agree to publish this content under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license."
This means that this submission can be published even without the author's permission. (The license in question specifically states: "The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms.")
Whether it's ethical to do so is a different question, though.
We will not publish a run if the author does not want it to be published, even if the license technically allows it. Common courtesy and respect towards the submission author's wishes overrule the letter of the law in this case.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Topic merged with existing thread about this game.
Also, a tip for the future: please use a more descriptive topic title when posting a thread. "Should i ?" does not say much to someone who glances over the forum threads.
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Glitcher wrote:
What happened to the video?
The author broke the youtube module. I fixed it.
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TASVideoAgent wrote:
Don't expect any more cheap ACE runs by me.
Expecting incoming controversy in 3...2...1...
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It should be noted that normally, after the credits have rolled, pressing Start returns you to the stage select screen with all Robot Master stages cleared:
However, with this run, it (oddly) only depicts Cut Man's stage as being cleared.
I'll leave it to others to put into question whether this movie counts as completing the game.
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A game has been Masterjun'd again. Except this time it's not Masterjun that does it - a nice change of pace.
Great to see Mega Man finally completely broken to the point of just skipping to the credits.
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thatguy wrote:
So... what happens to the old movie? Is it just obsoleted or should it be retroactively rejected? I know this breaks the site's rules but this really is an exceptional case.
There is no such thing as retroactive rejection/obsoletion or unpublication on the site. For that reason, other runs like [516] SNES F-Zero "first track" by Saturn in 02:22.03 are still up despite being incomplete.
I expect the old run to be obsoleted by this run (even though it is longer). That's the best way to 'correct' publications like this.
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£e Nécroyeur wrote:
And despite the usual mockery, this is certainly not a bad game for the console.
TehSeven wrote:
I agree with £e Nécroyeur. This is not such a bad game
I agree, this game isn't really bad (although it isn't really that great either). It was just more fun to write "the usual mockery" in the submission text :)
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Scepheo wrote:
As far as I understand this thread:
People against obsoletion:
- feos
People pro obsoletion:
- Nach
- Fog
(- me)
As it stands, the community is for obsoletion. If anybody's ignoring community support, it's you.
I don't think 4 people is a very good sample size.
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CoolKirby wrote:
Could someone replace the movie for Masterjun with one that has the correct rerecord count? I went ahead and made one to make the process easier.
Done.
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Side note: the infinite run really does go on infinitely (at least, long enough for score to overflow and to go way past any threshold that could've possibly constituted something like a kill screen).
Fun fact: you get an extra life at 10000 points, and this is the only extra life you'll get in the entire game. Even overflowing the score and reaching 10000 again doesn't award an extra life. The infinite TAS reaches this after about 17 minutes.
Score can go up to 999990. If it reaches 1 million, it overflows back to 0. I made a screenshot of the maximum score shown below:
(The "3 fps" is due to using frame advance at this point. For the course of the run, it actually was turboed at a whopping ~170 fps. That's still pretty slow for experiments like this.)
It took exactly 1:03:50:18.70 (6005380 frames) to reach maximum score.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Discussion about this run obsoleting the current ingame-time run has been split to this topic.
Having that run obsoleted is a discussion that doesn't directly apply to this run, as other runs would already have obsoleted it in that case.
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I agree with adelikat. Obsoleting the current ingame-time run is a separate issue from obsoletions regarding this movie, as the arguments supporting this run obsoleting the ingame-time run also apply to other published movies, such as the currently published X-Ray run.
This should be discussed in another topic, probably split from this one.
(EDIT: Split has been done)
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kazblox wrote:
I found a bug with Tengen Tetris in this emulator. When pressing down while selecting level/handicap, you go down 2 spaces, making the selection of the fastest level (level 9) impossible unless you start from level 8 and score enough lines to go to level 9.
Are you sure you don't have both player 1 pad and player 2 pad up/down mapped to the same key? The game uses both player 1 and player 2 controls for the menu, and if both press up/down at the same time, it causes a 2-space step.
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The best part is that this is the first TAS I've seen that actually has more than the first 15 seconds of Theme of Samus Aran being played. That alone makes this run very awesome.
Also, I think this should obsolete both the X-Ray glitch run and the ACE run, as it uses the same glitch as the former and is faster than the latter. Double obsoletion go.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
In any future remakes of this movie, i will be opting to playthrough more or less completely in a frame advance state
Aside from playarounds, the submission queue is for speed records. This run doesn't seem to hit or beat any speed record.
EDIT: Or does it attempt to differ from the published run by avoiding damage or death? If so, that is probably not a publishable category.
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feos wrote:
feos wrote:
Masterjun wrote:
feos wrote:
Guga wrote:
jimsfriend wrote:
Aqfaq wrote:
This thread has run its course.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Well... if low% is the fastest category then it's any%. So 0 stars is any%. 70 stars is any% "no BLJ".
"No BLJ" any% would be 1-star.
"70 stars" can be described as intended minimum%/intended route any%.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
why does the site say 9:50.64? when using the [ frames] tags it gives this: 09:49.23
I noticed because I posted an improvement in the SM64DS thread and the frame numbers don’t match up with the time
The [frames] tag assumes 60FPS by default. The framerate of the DS, as it is used by the site and is documented on this page, is precisely 59.8260982880808.
With the correct framerate, and the framecount of this run, the [frames] tags give "09:50.65", the same time as listed in the title.
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This run finishes the first stage with the remaining timer at 339.
This nearly 2 years old cancelled submission finishes the first stage with the remaining timer at 360, an ingame time difference of 21 seconds. (The timer seems to tick down once every 40 frames, so that's a real-time difference of about 14 seconds).
I think I already know enough.
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
However, with this run, it (oddly) only depicts Cut Man's stage as being cleared.
I'll leave it to others to put into question whether this movie counts as completing the game.
(The "3 fps" is due to using frame advance at this point. For the course of the run, it actually was turboed at a whopping ~170 fps. That's still pretty slow for experiments like this.)
It took exactly 1:03:50:18.70 (6005380 frames) to reach maximum score.