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Yeah, the run looks really plain as it is. It looks like there's a lot more that could be done besides just slowly moving forward.
I once had the idea of a Sisters TAS some years back. At the time I figured you could use Stella's attack to write text in the air or do something similarly silly.
Also, it looks like you level up just a few rooms before the boss room (and level up again to lv5 at the boss). If you could avoid leveling up there, and instead level up directly from lv2 to lv5 at the boss, it saves a few seconds from the "level up" message.
If that's not possible (or if that's slower due to dodging and/or slower bossfight), maybe you could try defeating more enemies along the way so you're close to lv4 before the bossfight, and possibly skip to lv6 instead of lv5 after the bossfight.
Other than that, the movement and bossfight (simple as they are) look optimal.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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The same was also reported last page. Incidentally, another bug related to it was fixed (reported after that), yet this apparently wasn't.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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That was actually much faster than I expected them to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Water physics tend to differ quite a bit between the games. I did a bit of testing on some of the games here:
In Mega Man 1, it causes a lag frame every fourth frame, so effectively the game speed is cut by 25%. The physics otherwise are unchanged as far as I know (except in some zipping situations)
In Mega Man 2, it causes a lag frame every fifth frame (20% reduced game speed) and gravity is cut by 0.46875 (from 0x40 subpx/frame to 0x1E subpx/frame). In other words, gravity is cut from 0.25 (64/256) pixels/frame to 0.1171875 (30/256). Additionally, jump initial velocity is increased from 04.DF (4.87109375 px/frame) to 05.80 (5.5 px/frame).
(See also Wiki: GameResources/NES/Rockman/Data).
In Mega Man 3 and on, water no longer causes an overall slowdown. The velocity and gravity numbers are probably different, but I don't know about the numbers in these games offhand.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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CoolKirby wrote:
Here they go again. Third time's the charm?
Probably not.
EDIT: The answer is no...
If I'm to believe the TVTropes recap page, that was actually the sixth time or so.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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ALAKTORN wrote:
“I have dug into system specs during machine coding for the playaround to determine that, yes, last year's pi-around is invalid (not that anyone cares).”
what? why would nobody care? if it’s due to emulation errors, the run should be removed from the site
From what I'm reading in the explanation, internally the run does nothing that's impossible on an actual gameboy, but it's just that VRAM behaves differently and the screen output would appear different on console (probably just missing a few pi graphics here and there). Nothing major, and certainly not something worth unpublishing a run for.
(Not that a run like that would possibly ever be done/synced on console anyway, due to the complications with gameboy sync.)
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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That huge filesize happens because VirtualDub by default encodes video with no compression at all.
Do the same thing as before for the audio, and go to Video -> Compression and select your video codec of choice to compress the video with, then save to AVI as usual.
EDIT: Or you can keep the video part exactly as it is by toggling on Video -> Direct stream copy, instead of Full processing mode. This saves having to spend the time re-encoding the whole video again.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Shi Kong Xing Shou.
Not that anyone actually knows that game, but that could just make it all the more fun.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I'm guessing he means the module on the main page.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Sir VG wrote:
(assuming you can, of course, suspend in Sisters Mode)
Nope.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Radiant wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
And since in SotN, it is the fastest ending that is actually acknowledged as an ending that entails beating the game, it is redundant to mention it.
For what it's worth, seven different FAQ authors each individually call it one of the game's four endings (five if you count Richter's), and none of them call it a game over.
I took a look at the top two FAQs (marked with stars). The first one, by 934400, doesn't even acknowledge the branched endings. It just says to do whatever needs to be done to progress to the good endings, and then states "Good job, halfway done with the game". The second one, by ZKeene, mentions the endings but explicitly says "this isn't how the game is supposed to end".
You must be reading different FAQs there than I did.
Anyway, I don't see online FAQs or game ending sites as really relevant. More important is how the actual speedrunning community defines the game ending. I looked at the SDA page for SotN and a number of YouTube videos of SotN speedruns by e.g. romscout, but none of them I saw mention anything about good endings or best endings, but they do go and defeat Dracula and get the good ending in each of them.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Radiant wrote:
There are indeed games where defeating the boss wrongly gives you a game over (e.g. Streets of Rage III). However, SOTN's game over looks like this whereas its bad and good endings both look like this; so I don't agree that its bad ending is a "glorified game over".
You may have missed the word "glorified".
Radiant wrote:
"Good ending" is a pointless tag because it's arbitrary, particularly if you have more than three endings. And since in SotN, it is the fastest ending that is actually acknowledged as an ending that entails beating the game, it is redundant to mention it.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Radiant wrote:
Here are the graphics. The bad ending has the same "castle exploding" sequence as the good one, just different dialogue.
It's not just about what the ending consists of. In some cases, such as this one, it's also about how it's accessed.
Pokémon Gold/Silver is another example: defeating the Elite Four leads to the same credits sequence defeating Red does, yet it's the latter that is universally considered actually beating the game (at least, in a speedrunning sense). Here, since it's triggered differently (and much earlier in the plot than it's actually supposed to happen in the plot), it's a different ending, and because it doesn't actually properly conclude the game/plot (the game just kinda stops in the middle of the plot in these cases), it's not considered by players/speedrunners to actually be an "ending" as much as it is a glorified game over, like I said.
Also, even if only the dialogue is different, that still makes it a different ending, right?
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I'm pretty sure the "bad ending" isn't even considered beating the game. It's more like a glorified game over.
(This also goes for quite a few other Castlevania games, by the way, such as all three of the DS Castlevania games/runs with the main character.)
Also, in Symphony of the Night, I believe the actual "best" ending is reached if you get over 196% completion, so it's not a valid branch/tag here anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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The first two revisits are done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jgVuVsTy54http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsoXiULxpgUser movie #13118437645740005
(encodes linked to save having too many video embeds on one page)
Both of these stages were actually somewhat longer than I expected. (Even though I'd already visited a large part of each stage once.)
These revisit stage runs are still quite different from the first stage runs, because the leg upgrade adds a lot of new possibilities for (faster) movement, and because of slightly different strategies.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I recently noticed Grand Theft Auto 2 is on the SGDQ 2014 game list. To be played by Kubelwagon, time estimate 50 minutes.
Kubelwagon also has a 35:27 run here on Twitch.
Should definitely be interesting to see the game being run at SGDQ.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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For those who may have missed the news, AngerFist ran into several desync issues and had to cancel the run.
Cross-posting from that thread:
It's a deep shame the run had to end like this. I've followed the project through its entirety, and it always was great whenever more progress was made. AngerFist put a metric crapton of time and effort into it over the past few years, and it's painful to see it has to end like this.
Here's the final encode: (all games with the same input, except MM4, which is different by a single button input in a single frame)
Link to video
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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It's a deep shame the run had to end like this. I've followed the project through its entirety, and it always was great whenever more progress was made. AngerFist put a metric crapton of time and effort into it over the past few years, and it's painful to see it has to end like this.
Here's the final encode: (all games with the same input, except MM4, which is different by a single button input in a single frame)
Link to video
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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CoolKirby wrote:
Wow, never seen that before. How could a video of an approximately 10 minute TAS be too long?
Awaiting Spikestuff's encode.
Standard YouTube accounts, without extended YouTube video privileges, have a maximum limit of 15m30s, if I recall correctly.
Since the movie is actually about 70k frames long, the video probably broke that limit (and N?K doesn't have extended YouTube video privileges, apparently).
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Here's an update with the next two stages done:
Link to videoLink to videoUser movie #12789554654100492
These are, incidentally, the only two boss stages that are only visited once.
With the leg upgrade, the run now features a few new tricks, including air sliding, high jumping, and overall faster vertical movement (the latter particularly in the vertical sections of the Bird stage).
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Neat. It definitely looks much more polished now.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I like how it's a massive struggle to just perform any move or even just to walk in any direction (with or without Red moving like he's utterly drunk).
Even after 60 hours of playing I'm surprised the game actually managed to get anywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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