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You could manipulate the enemies to drop the hearts you need. As you have to do to get the 10 rupees for the boxing match=). EDIT: Are you going to take the red ring just as Ego Buff did? I'm not really sure that it is faster... You can't get the ring untill dungeon 7. And the bosses you could use it is are only; mini boss and boss in dungeon 7, boss dungeon 8 and Onox two phases. And it takes a couple of minutes to take the ring. So I doubt it's faster... I hardly think Ego Buff did any researches on this either. By the way, here is Ego Buff's TAS http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1721/OracleOfSeasons.vbm I think he did a little faster than you just before the miniboss.
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Maximus wrote:
c Excellent planning
Hmm, I wonder if it's me or Stef that's going to say "thanks" on that one, lol :D.
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Someone has already started with an OoS TAS now! I love it!:D So if you are going to choose between OoS and a new LA DX I suggest OoA *lol*.
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Looks quite nice=). But you could manipulate the enemies to not be in your way, like the annoying bats. And make that the moblins at the boss key room stand closer to you. Keep it up!
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Yay! The Oracle games too! That would be awesome. I will gladly help you with these too if you want the challange. I know the games perfectly fine, as I have done one speedrun of OoS and working with OoA at the moment so I have got a lot of tricks to add.
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Try to avoid the key bounches, it sure is possible somehow. Could have killed the last phase of the Skeleton Master by laying a bomb earlier at start. Or if I change my bomb/arrow route you may be able to kill him with three bombarrows. Hookshot the heart after killing dungeon 5 boss. When killing the armos holding Face Key; some places you could have let go of your charge one, two frames earlier. Also, it might be possible to kill him closer to the entrance. I wasn't needed to take the bombrefill on your way to dungeon 6 boss´, that lost you some frames I presume... Change my bomb/arrow route so you can take the other way inside the switch room in dungeon 8. Saves some seconds. Was it only me, or did you wait ½ second in the first room in the second "ice underground" in dungeon 8? Ok, I think that's all. + those things Ste already written. EDIT: People, don't think that this run could be improved by millions of minutes because of all the possible improvements I'm writing down. These are only a few frames improvements. And some may be major things, but I'm not sure that those are possible.
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I really don't know how much it will save... And I'm not sure that all those are able to do faster. It's both possible and also certain things that can be improved. I'm going to continue watch the movie now to look after more things. EDIT: More possible improvements: Try to manipulate enemies to drop the 20 rupees you need for the bombs, instead of taking a 20-rupee chest. Stealing the bow faster. Activate the Warp Hole after dungeon 2. Take the leaves faster (The bombguy and bird.) It might be able to take the leaf from the Ball%Chain enemy from the left using L+R glitches. Have tried this but not been able to it... At the bush labyrinth: You can slash the bush and dig up the key just when you get out from the cave. Maybe you can take it that way too, not sure... Maybe using the same key bug to open dungeon 3 as you did with 1? Have tried this a bit, but it might be possible. Take the eye at start in dungeon 3 using L+R glitches maybe? Not sure... Might be a couple of frames faster to dash down when fighting the dungeon 3 boss instead of Diagonally. Also, try to make the last eye fall closer to the door. Avoid the door shut in the third room in dungeon 4. Don't run up as much as you did. More will come...
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Other possible improvements: More L/R/U/D glitches, I'm quite sure there are more to be found! You shall be able to use those kind of glitches and slash enemies from distance. Run more! There are some places I've noticed where you could have started running earlier. Like when your'e opening the 4 keylocks in dungeon 3. You can start running before you unluck it and get the boost right after. More S&Q's can be used to save time. More text skips, like when taking Bow-wow. Damage boosting. Talk closer to the dog who gives you the riboon, can be manipulated I think:). Try to have PoP more often. It might save time to get a PoP sometimes instead of S&Q warping. Another Bomb/Arrow route. You have to go away a few rooms to get a refill. I think I can improve my route. Jump when a door closes/opens to avoid standing still. Make bow-wow eat faster. Take the 50-rupee chest before entering dungeon 2 instead of after. Light the left torch instead of the right first in beginning of dungeon 2. Push left block before the right one in dungeon 2. Go Up-Right instead of Right-Up after killing miniboss in dungeon 2. I will write more later...
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I guess you timed both routes in D4. To go down instead of up after the mini boss teleport. Guess it's faster your way. Just want to know if you tested it:). Also, can't your Ganon battle be faster really..? I quite sure you can somehow. Really nice movie! I will of course vote yes for it! One note... You have wrote wrong on the ROM that was used. It shall be GBC in end, not GB ;).
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Nice done Stef! Let's see if I have something to comment when you uploaded it:). So be prepared to redo some parts maybe :D.
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Yeah ok. But try to kill the eagle faster=).
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Just press Up+Down and a fire rod shot will come from below. The fire will hit the floor you stand on, but it can come throw from the ladder and from the right. The aim will be Up-right-diagonally. EDIT: Also, I'm not sure this is faster but I think it is. If you stand on the ladder you can use the hookshot and take the heart that way. Here is a movie... http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1669/Heart%20with%20hookshot.vbm Another thing... Isn't it faster to skip to kill the "suit change" enemies and just use "jump in air" bug?
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Yay! Really nice! But...! The last hit on the Eagle. Couldn't you shoot diagonally and take him faster? I'm quite sure you can... Saw that you used my "push block down from the side" bug I did in my 100% run :D. Really lovely. I tried that glitch with jumping with the ball too, wasn't able to do it though. I also assumed you were going to use the bombglitch at the switch.
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Before you said sorry when you hadn't been updating for 2 days, and now it has went 10. So how is it going?:)
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Just wanted to say that your progress is looking good! Will be interesting to see the rest as well.
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The Eagle will do the "wind blow" the 5:th round, or maybe the 4:th not sure... And you can kill him with fire rod in 3 rounds and if you hadn't got the fire rod you could use bombarrows as well in 3 rounds. So the Mirror Shield is quite unneccesary yes:). EDIT: There is another way to bypass the fire without the mirror shield. You can buy a potion, and when you lose all your health, the potion will be used and you will be invis a while so you just can pass.
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Ok Chef. I tried a little myself and came up with the same as you said:). I have been trying to bug this dungeon for hours! L+R glitches FTW, but haven't found anything yet really. The only idea of a possible trick is in the room I showed you. And you were going to try it, don't you? Looking forward to see what you will find for tricks!
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I didn't really think that anyone of the two routes I said were faster, just wanted to mention them, hehe :D. Looks good, only one place... Couldn't you, or wasn't it faster, to run diagonally here? [URL=http://img152.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=23175_Hmm_122_329lo.JPG][/URL] Your way was looking fast, but was just wondering...
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Haha, lol Spocky:D. I didn't notice that while I was watching... I did notice the keybounch though, but I presume it was the same thing as in Dungeon 5 so I didn't care to mention it. I guess I shall mention those things too:). On your way to dungeon 7: I'm not 100% sure that it is faster to Mambo warp and then walk up the mountains, try both. And also, you can do the small trick in the cave to get up the roof, to get to Eagle's Tower. But with my watch timings and bad movements I found that way slower. But you can try this as well. Keep it up!:D
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Great dungeon! Really nice!
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Very nice done! Good use of the "hookshot in air" bug :D. Remember when you start with dungeon 8 that you press start so you skip the dungeon entrance text. Then follow my movie and do it 10 times better=). Good luck!
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You can be thinking of that later. Concentrate on dungeon 8 first:).
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Ok, just wanted to ask:). I think you can do it in Eagle Tower as well. http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=37482_Possible_bug_place..._122_314lo.JPG Is it possible to go through the block there to skip the annoying tile room above?
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Nice:). Is this the first sequence break you found? Have you found anymore places you can use that on?
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Oh you succeded to do that! Nice! I tried a little, not long at all, but couldn't make it. Very nice. EDIT: Are you pressing all directions at the same time? I am not able to do that... Does the chain take a different direction?