I voted no. Fighting games are already at a disadvantage when it comes to TASing, and this one just doesn't make the cut for me. The basic difference between a fighting game's TAS and a TAS for most any other genre is that the fighting game cannot use speed as the goal (or else it would be unwatchably boring). Platformers and such need to find creative methods to shave off as much time as possible - this creativity is a large part of what makes them entertaining. A fighting game can only be judged based on the run's flair/entertainment value. The problem is that a sufficiently talented non-assisted player can make a movie just as entertaining as the tool-assisted run most of the time. If it isn't immediately obvious that what's being done is well past the boundaries of what a human can accomplish, the run doesn't have much of appeal compared to a non-assisted run. Basically, if the run doesn't break my expectations of the game (like what the buggy Mortal Kombat runs do), I can't vote yes. I'll admit that the combos are pretty crazy, but it really just feels a little too much like an amazing player making fun of the AI and not a TAS.

This is an impressive technical achievement and the author clearly knows what they're doing...but entertainment-wise it wasn't there for me. The AI simply isn't able to put up a decent fight in this game, even if you aren't a comboing master, and unfortunately the combos themselves just don't look all that impressive. My personal recommendation would be to make a series of 2/3/4P exhibition matches with and without items. There's far more room for entertainment there than there is in beating up on the AI. I'm voting meh -- the run is technically strong but doesn't meet the entertainment bar for me.

All right, I watched it, and honestly, I'm not all that impressed. I think Fox is a poor choice, since it's almost a given that the reflect move will be overused. That was demonstrated in the Ness fight. There was less after that, but I still think there was far too much reliance on that attack. There were very few throws or smash attacks. And it's been mentioned already, but the credits weren't shot! I would have been more entertained if a sub-optimal character had been used, such as Dr. Mario or Ice Climbers. As it is now... Meh.

I'm sorry I didn't have the time to help you like I would have hoped, Wak017, but if you need my help encoding the dump, whether you give me the dump and I handle it or I just help you encode it yourself, my offer still stands.

wasn’t very entertained, but I don’t know the game what I can say is that I was annoyed by always using the same move to go from a level to another, the moonwalk was a nice change; and also the credits thing others mentioned

As much as I wouldn't want to say this, but I found this run a bit confusing. Even the various Mortal Kombat TASes are less confusing than this, and those are full of crazy glitches (while this isn't). The game is very fast-paced, which one would think is great from a TASing point of view, but it only helped to worsen the confusion. I'm sure that if I had played this game extensively I could appreciate this more, but from an "outsider's" perspective it wasn't all that entertaining. I have to vote meh. (A 'no' vote would be way too harsh because I didn't see anything technically wrong with this, and I am certain that people who have played the game will enjoy this run.)

I was unsure of what to vote as parts of this run seemed inconsistent. The fights against Ness, Zelda and Pichu were entertaining as there was a lot of interesting abuse and messing around. Some fights just seemed like pure speedruns. I almost missed the Samus and Mewtwo battles because I was eating cereal. Then again, those levels didn't seem particularly interesting anyway and so I guess it was a good stylistic choice to get them out of the way quickly. I'll give this a weak yes vote, hitting Ness with a car clinches it.

So, I watched the encode. I don't really care a lot about fighting games, and I never have seen any footage of SSBM. With that in mind, I liked the run. Fox's antics were kind of funny and I liked how fast some of the matches went over. If the technical difficulties are put aside, I think this is enough for me to give it a yes.

Having attempted to play this game at a party I can tell that some of these things are extremely hard to pull off in real time, maybe even close to impossible in this difficulty setting. However, the game is not that much entertaining to watch, and you didn't shoot the credits which could have been interesting to see TASed as an encore. I have to vote meh on this.

I have to say Meh to this. I can not get this game to run properly on my Quad core machine. The game is not emulated well or is it settings? Not sure. Another issue is the SRAM. Yes, that is a valid point to have in game and getting to that point, is a lot of effort. But, you need to prove (by the rules of the site) that you can get there. I personally know the SRAM is a valid point with out needing a verification video. The final issue I have is that it's technically good in terms of gameplay, but entertainment, not as much.

As a huge fan of Melee, I found this run amazing and have to give it an easy Yes vote. However, I can totally understand how most of this stuff isn't nearly as impressive and entertaining to someone not very intimate with the game's engine, which is a shame.

Well I wasn't sure about the credits. TASvideos have a rule that the input file must end at first possible frame. However, I'll start TASing them this evening by popular demand. My exact congifurations: And this is the configs of the ROM itself. Make sure you have the right one, it's name is at the top left corner of the image: Also, my own dolphin can be uploaded here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M5S92DII

I know there's at least one other movie on the site (but I cannot remember which) that does antics of some sort (a minigame?) on the credits. On the issue of the memory card debate, personally, I don't see an issue with not having a verification movie, considering what all has to be done to unlock All Star mode. At least, assuming any 100% save works.

I know there's at least one other movie on the site (but I cannot remember which) that does antics of some sort (a minigame?) on the credits.

Kirby & The Amazing Mirror

The ways you sometimes were busy completely running way from the enemy/stalling the fight, especially near the beginning, detracted greatly from the entertainment and didn't feel TASlike at all. Abusing the (stupid) AI didn't look good either. Fortunately, many other battles were better in regards to entertainment. But this run is very improvable in the entertainment department, which is what the whole run is about. Meh vote.

Started out fairly boring with the Pichu and Ness fights, picked up with the Samus battle, dipped slightly at DK/Yoshi, the Marth/Bowser fight had a kinda boring finish, didn't think much of the Kirby/Ice Climbers/Young Link battle and the Game & Watch fight was just incredibly boring. And not getting a 100% hits on the credits is just bad form. Gonna have to vote Meh here.

Since I wrote the wording of the rule you are citing, let me clarify it. It is a rewording that only means that you shouldn't leave any unused frames of input after the end of the movie. It does not say anything about when the movie should end. There is no rule against doing the credits, and I personally think that they should be done as well.

Hmmm... This one is a tough call, so I'll write a bit of detail. Fox was definitely a great choice for this kind of thing. Since Reflector abuse was mostly in just ONE fight, I'll let it slide. Yoshi falling off a cliff was marvelous... Except for the fact that he was like a brother to me :(. Most of the battles were very entertaining, some unlikely strategies were used. The problem is, like many other fighting games, it is very repetitive. So, after a bit of consideration, I decided on Yes. :D Great job Wak, I hope to see more TASes from you!

I liked watching this, but some of the battles were a bit repetitive. It was basically using SHFFLs and Shine combos to rack up the damage. I was expecting item manipulation to rape the AI with all sorts of original ways. Then again, it's not easy to rack up damage otherwise, and when you weren't comboing in the same old matter, you were actually quite original... I don't know, I suppose it could use more originality, but I still liked what I saw. I guess I'll vote Meh because of that.

Very intense, I liked it a lot. And it's short enough to end before it gets repetitive. Too bad that the Youtube encode in the first post is filled with ads, I hope some other encoder can make a clean video and replace it, with all those ads it was extremely hard to see the percentages at the bottom of the screen.

This run was awesome. So much better to watch than the original Smash Bros. Great job. I voted yes.

On one hand, this was clearly well made. On the other, it seems to be more speed-oriented than entertainment oriented (Fox isn't exactly the most diverse character), there's no real appeal to All-Star over Classic mode, and it uses a savestate. It's also a shame that this mode couldn't have two players, as a lot of the entertainment value I've seen from Melee TASes up to this point has been "wombo-ing." Can't vote more than a Meh. I would really like to see a more entertaining Classic run or Adventure mode run from you, though.

Yes vote from me! :D

This just isn't my cup of tea. I watched it, but I saw nothing other than spastic movement. Perhaps I just don't know Smash Bros, but I didn't really find anything enjoyable. Meh vote.