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For some reason the canons aren't stored in the byte that corresponds with the stage, but one stage after that. So canon for stage Bobomb gets saved in the Whomp's Fortress byte and the Wing thingy canon gets saved in the Aquarium byte. I think that should be the result of a slight programming inefficiency.. No, the outside canon doesn't set a bit. And like I said, if we can enter stages without the 'current stage value' changing we could glitch stars in fast ways. I've tested it you don't have to take guesses anymore about if it would do anything. It just seems a bit hopeless to find a glitch which would do something like that. :/ Loading the game with it set to sth other than 0 would f.e. enable us to collect stars of a specific stage by talking to Toad or catching Mips instead. Would that even save time? lol
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Swordless Link wrote:
Your point? We're saying that changing the way you get to the castle is how you manipulate him WITHOUT wasting a frame.
this makes no sense, AFAIR
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How doesn't it? You can change your movements before the castle without wasting any time...
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you can also change your movements before entering the pipe without wasting time, and it makes no difference - I tried holding down buttons, tapping buttons, all kinds of angles, etc
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zOMG wrote:
you can also change your movements before entering the pipe without wasting time, and it makes no difference - I tried holding down buttons, tapping buttons, all kinds of angles, etc
Well in that case it is obvious that you have to try and enter the castle differently instead of doing stuff that evidently does not change things, no? Also is this run only a direct result of Swordless's improvements in the 16 star run or are there other improvements too?
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other improvements too :)
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So to be clear... You: Help, I've tried everything and I can't get this! Us: Have you tried doing this thing which would almost certainly work? You: No, there's no reason that would work You: Help
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it makes no sense that it will work when changing input anywhere else doesn't work
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Okay, forget it. Seriously, talking to this kid is like talking to a brick wall. If he won't accept our help, there's no point in giving it to him.
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z0MG wrote:
it makes no sense that it will work when changing input anywhere else doesn't work
Okay, have fun trying more stuff that won't work and complaining about it.
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z0MG wrote:
it makes no sense that it will work when changing input anywhere else doesn't work
Most things in the game are predetermined well in advance.
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How did you figure out that it was determined already when entering the castle though, did you find the RNG for bowsers opening move or what?
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If both Swordless, AKA, and MrRobertZ (all of whom have TASed SM64) say that changing the way to enter the castle will change Bowser's RNG, I say listen to them.
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Comicalflop wrote:
If both Swordless, AKA, and MrRobertZ (all of whom have TASed SM64) say that changing the way to enter the castle will change Bowser's RNG, I say listen to them.
2008/06/28 01:17 <Swordless> Well well, look who suddenly needs our help 2008/06/28 01:17 <Swordless> And who won't be getting it 2008/06/28 01:19 <Comicalflop> be nice now 2008/06/28 01:19 <Swordless> No 2008/06/28 01:27 <Swordless> Robert: stop trying to help them that's why I don't trust them. FODA also says they are BS'ing us. but we'll try anyways
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Sorry, but lol. :X Edit: It could be that you're taking things to seriously..
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Sorry, but lol. :X
Good job looking like a complete ass.
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don't let this get intense D:
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why don't you guys stop arguing for half a second, talk in such a way that ideas are actually expressed insead of the main message being "i told you already stop being an idiot," and get some work done on the dam run. i'm sick of hearing that it's been put on hold for a while because the people working on the run can't trust the people who've made runs like these before due to the fact they hate each other. i don't care how bad your relationships are with each other, leave it alone and get some work done.
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mapler90210 wrote:
why don't you guys stop arguing for half a second, talk in such a way that ideas are actually expressed insead of the main message being "i told you already stop being an idiot," and get some work done on the dam run. i'm sick of hearing that it's been put on hold for a while because the people working on the run can't trust the people who've made runs like these before due to the fact they hate each other. i don't care how bad your relationships are with each other, leave it alone and get some work done.
Because the world demands it? This is not a place where people just order runs to be made.
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mapler90210 wrote:
why don't you guys stop arguing for half a second, talk in such a way that ideas are actually expressed insead of the main message being "i told you already stop being an idiot," and get some work done on the dam run. i'm sick of hearing that it's been put on hold for a while because the people working on the run can't trust the people who've made runs like these before due to the fact they hate each other. i don't care how bad your relationships are with each other, leave it alone and get some work done.
I also wish we were friends so we could help each other and share WIP's and stuff :/ tried entering the castle differently, same result
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Soulrivers wrote:
mapler90210 wrote:
why don't you guys stop arguing for half a second, talk in such a way that ideas are actually expressed insead of the main message being "i told you already stop being an idiot," and get some work done on the dam run. i'm sick of hearing that it's been put on hold for a while because the people working on the run can't trust the people who've made runs like these before due to the fact they hate each other. i don't care how bad your relationships are with each other, leave it alone and get some work done.
Because the world demands it? This is not a place where people just order runs to be made.
did i really leave the impression that i was ordering for the run to be made? if so, my bad, i just meant that i was tired of the reason it wasn't being made being that the author of the run was having an argument with the person who can explain what to do.
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mapler90210 wrote:
Soulrivers wrote:
mapler90210 wrote:
why don't you guys stop arguing for half a second, talk in such a way that ideas are actually expressed insead of the main message being "i told you already stop being an idiot," and get some work done on the dam run. i'm sick of hearing that it's been put on hold for a while because the people working on the run can't trust the people who've made runs like these before due to the fact they hate each other. i don't care how bad your relationships are with each other, leave it alone and get some work done.
Because the world demands it? This is not a place where people just order runs to be made.
did i really leave the impression that i was ordering for the run to be made? if so, my bad, i just meant that i was tired of the reason it wasn't being made being that the author of the run was having an argument with the person who can explain what to do.
yeah, seriously AKA, stop being a fag, and EXPLAIN. this bullshit of yours is hindering our progress.
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I also wish we were friends so we could help each other and share WIP's and stuff :/ Well, maybe if you hadn't consistently harassed both me and Robert over MSN, you would be. But you've blown any chance of that happening, just like you're other half. (SS) yeah, seriously AKA, stop being a fag Wow, hypocrisy to the max. And he's already explained it. So just do what he says. He has more experience with TASing this game than even me or Robert, so listen to him.
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he didn't. he only said that you can manipulate anything in this game without wasting time. he never told me how.
AKA wrote:
z0MG wrote:
As a side note, wasting a frame before entering the pipe avoids the dance, but I know it's possible without wasting frames.
You can manipulate anything in the game without wasting frames ;-)
that's faggotry.