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The real winner of dwangoAC's SGDQ 2015 TAS race. kazioman is a fraud
Original SGDQ 2015 TAS Race submission by Noxxa: https://www.youtube.com/embed/FgHM-2Hurj0
Submission file (.fm2): Userfiles/Info/24544199640776782
In-game ending frame (which was the TAS race timing point): 18637
Movie length: 18541
In-game time: 3:44.86

Improvements

v2

Samsara added a few strategies Noxxa missed in the race and saved 149 frames. .fm2: Userfiles/Info/24543583458375795
In-game time: 3:42.36
Ending frame: 18488
Movie length: 18392
YouTube encode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axnQKUui96E

v3

adelikat reran the game in BizHawk/NESHawk, improving the run by 12 frames in the process. Noxxa added a few more improvements, saving 19 frames more. Samsara put the rest of the game together when the improvements were leading into desyncs.
.bk2: Userfiles/Info/24566371468387760
In-game time: 3:41.88
Ending frame: 18457
Movie length: 18361
YouTube encode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgmNY-tdqZQ

v4

Implemented improved strats in two rooms by Really_Tall, as well as an 1 frame improvement found by Tompa. 60 frames saved in total. Resynced by Samsara again.
.bk2: Userfiles/Info/24592874817851446
In-game time: 3:40.90
Ending frame: 18397
Movie length: 18301
YouTube encode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiwoIjIQSLo

v5

Further improvements in overall optimization implemented by Samsara, saving 23 more frames.
.bk2: Userfiles/Info/24664140395257224
In-game time: 3:40.52
Ending frame: 18374
Movie length: 18278
YouTube encode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSwOLETYRgY

v6

Aglar redid a fair chunk of the movie, saving an additional 48 frames.
.bk2: Userfiles/Info/24730357239008289
In-game time: 3:39.72
Ending frame: 18326
Movie length: 18230

Other comments

Thanks to:
  • dwangoAC for organising the SGDQ 2015 TAS race
  • Games Done Quick LLC, for organising the GDQ events and SGDQ 2015 in particular enabling this TAS race
  • MrPodunkian for developing this game, and Faux Game Co. for porting it to NES
  • kaizoman666 for his movie showcased on the GDQ stream which showed a negaroom strat for v3
  • Dragonfangs for pointing out above negaroom strat
  • Tompa for finding a 1-frame improvement for v4
Frame war-a-go-go
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Noxxa: Updated with a 149-frame improvement thanks to Samsara.
Nach: Judging.
Noxxa: Updated with a new BizHawk version by adelikat with improvements from the rest, saving 31 frames in total.
Nach: No longer judging due to emulator switch.
Noxxa: Updated with another 60-frame improvement, with input from Really_Tall and an added 1-frame improvement by Tompa.
ars4326: Judging!
Noxxa: Updated yet again with a 23-frame improvement thanks to Samsara.
ars4326: Updating one mo' time with Aglar's 48 frame improvement!
ars4326: Hello, everyone. What can be said: When a group of highly dedicated, skilled TASers get together, good things (usually) happen. Dr. Tary might not eat humble pie, but his optimized trek escaping the space station was entertaining and very, very well polished. Outstanding job, gentlemen!
Accepting for publication to Moons!
fsvgm777: Processing.

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Posted: 8/4/2015 5:06 PM
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feos
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TASeditor wrote:
The term "re-recording" for movie editors is not appropriate, because there's no recording, there's editing. It's just a better name for it.
Yeah, except in taseditor it only adds rerecords if you edit input on a greenzoned frame, which IS similar to loading an earlier state and recording different input. If tastudio does it differently, it needs to be fixed.
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This isn't intended. How do you do it exactly?
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Posted: 8/4/2015 5:44 PM
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feos wrote:
This isn't intended. How do you do it exactly?
* Paint a section of input, the longer it is the more noticeable the effect will be * Insert or remove a frame before that section of input, anything that actively changes the framecount of the movie basically * Undoing this change will readjust every frame of that section of input and count each change as a re-record * Redoing the change does the same thing Example: Paint 2000 frames of input. Insert a frame at 1. Undo it. You gained 2000 re-records. Redo it. You gained 2000 re-records again. The effect is magnified if you copy-paste insert longer sections of input at a time. Example: Paint 3000 frames of input. Copy 5 frames and paste insert them at frame 1. Undo it. You gained 15000 re-records. Redo it and you gain 15000 more.
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You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
Posted: 8/4/2015 5:55 PM
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OMFG wow thank you that's insane
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Posted: 8/5/2015 10:03 AM
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BrunoVisnadi wrote:
Well, I'd like to put here the file of the improvement, but Bizhawk just disappeared with it (and I did save it before closing Bizhawk). I'm terrible to learn to use new emulators, where should Bizhawk saved movies go?
Do you mean you're wondering where your movie is saved on your computer? Inside your BizHawk folder ("BizHawk-1.11.1" for me) there is a folder called "Movies" and it should be there. If you mean you don't know where to upload it, you can upload it to Userfiles.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 4:41 AM
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Instead of taking the winning entry from the SGDQ 2105 competition and patching suggested improvements into it, wouldn't it be a better idea to take the time to make a fully optimized TAS to make sure that nothing was overlooked?
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Posted: 8/7/2015 6:06 AM
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I agree with Smash and repeat what I said in the first Super Pitfall submission thread:
Not to be rude, but should this conversation be moved to the game's thread? It just seems a bit odd that all of this theoretical discussion and technical route and glitch planning is going on in a submission poll thread of what is (ideally) supposed to be a finished run. Wouldn't it make more sense to cancel/delay this submission and then come back after all of the teas have been dotted and the eyes have been crossed?
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Posted: 8/7/2015 6:43 AM
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SmashManiac wrote:
Instead of taking the winning entry from the SGDQ 2105 competition and patching suggested improvements into it, wouldn't it be a better idea to take the time to make a fully optimized TAS to make sure that nothing was overlooked?
This is what we've been doing. The foundation of the current submission is actually a whole new optimized run on BizHawk by adelikat, and we're adding more improvements as we find them as well.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Posted: 8/7/2015 6:53 AM
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Every time I see this submission I hear this exchange go on in my head. Please send help.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 11:27 AM
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Mothrayas wrote:
SmashManiac wrote:
Instead of taking the winning entry from the SGDQ 2105 competition and patching suggested improvements into it, wouldn't it be a better idea to take the time to make a fully optimized TAS to make sure that nothing was overlooked?
This is what we've been doing. The foundation of the current submission is actually a whole new optimized run on BizHawk by adelikat, and we're adding more improvements as we find them as well.
To add on to this, there's one last file in progress that's being built from the ground up to ensure that we've got it as tightly optimized as possible. It shouldn't take too long.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 11:39 AM
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Makes me wonder how much of the 500k rerecords was due to that glitch. 0_o
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This seems to be competing for the "Worst looking TAS of 2011" Award.
Posted: 8/7/2015 1:24 PM
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How did it take 500k rerecords to make this movie?
Posted: 8/7/2015 1:26 PM
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Mitjitsu wrote:
How did it take 500k rerecords to make this movie?
*ahem*
jlun2 wrote:
Makes me wonder how much of the 500k rerecords was due to that glitch. 0_o
Samsara wrote:
feos wrote:
This isn't intended. How do you do it exactly?
* Paint a section of input, the longer it is the more noticeable the effect will be * Insert or remove a frame before that section of input, anything that actively changes the framecount of the movie basically * Undoing this change will readjust every frame of that section of input and count each change as a re-record * Redoing the change does the same thing Example: Paint 2000 frames of input. Insert a frame at 1. Undo it. You gained 2000 re-records. Redo it. You gained 2000 re-records again. The effect is magnified if you copy-paste insert longer sections of input at a time. Example: Paint 3000 frames of input. Copy 5 frames and paste insert them at frame 1. Undo it. You gained 15000 re-records. Redo it and you gain 15000 more.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 2:18 PM
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And it's fixed in the interim.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:12 PM
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I found two more improvements, saving four frames in total. The first is that you can press A on frame 5790, to jump one frame earlier than the current run. The second improvement is here: User movie #24663496504062010 The room that starts frame 8827 is now 3 frames faster, from a slightly different strategy. So hopefully these improvements can be used in the newest run that's apparently being worked on. I'm done searching for improvements, and hopefully this will be the final version!
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:15 PM
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Really_Tall wrote:
I found two more improvements, saving four frames in total...
Those should both already be in the file in progress, and said file in progress should be up within an hour or two.
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warmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
Posted: 8/7/2015 5:22 PM
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Samsara wrote:
Really_Tall wrote:
I found two more improvements, saving four frames in total...
Those should both already be in the file in progress, and said file in progress should be up within an hour or two.
Awesome! I'll check the file when it's posted.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:44 PM
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User movie #24664140395257224 Absolutely the last time I'm touching this.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 6:30 PM
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Yep, that movie includes both my improvements. Nice job! I think that is a solid time for a final version.
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Posted: 8/8/2015 9:32 AM
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I can try going through the whole run once more. I spotted some minor improvements, and just splicing them in isn't my style :)
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Only Aglar can improve this now.
Posted: 8/10/2015 5:56 AM
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Too much clowning around, no vote. Just kidding, congrats to Mothrayas and all who participated in the Speed TAS race! Nice to see another collaborative frame war like this too.
Posted: 8/10/2015 1:25 PM
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Couldn't improve anything before frame ~5740, so I kept the inputs from the previous run up til then. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/816698377/streemerz-v02-v9-agladelirayasaraTall.bk2 Cheers
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Only Aglar can improve this now.
Posted: 8/11/2015 8:38 AM
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That's fun, I've given it a nice yes!
Posted: 8/16/2015 1:18 PM
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [2923] NES Streemerz: Super Strength Emergency Squad Zeta "Streeeeemerz Mode" by adelikat, Aglar, Noxxa, Really_Tall & Samsara in 05:03.33
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