Posted: 2/23/2022 10:22 PM
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ViGadeomes
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This idea came in my mind and I would like to share it. This idea isn't there to add more work to judges ( I would like not ) and to place these obsoleted movies as published TASes if it's possible otherwise beeing able to have a link on the movies that obsolete them. There are many situations where this feature would be used : For example, a movie was submitted a long time ago but rejected at the time because of a rule that isn't optimization... Many years later, a faster movie of this game is accepted as the rule that made the old one rejected isn't there anymore. This feature would put the old movie accepted back or of a kind of acceptance atleast linked on the movie which obsoletes it mainly for historical reason. Another example is a movie submitted but cancelled before it has been published because a new improvement was on the work. Even if the movie didn't have the time to be published, this is still a part of the TASing history for the game and so a little place to him would be cool. A last example is a rejected movie because of its optimization... Even if it shouldn't be acceptable this is still a part of the history. I don't think we need to judge optimization about these movies because it would be very hard to put us back at the time of the submission with the knowledge back in the days... If we end up publishing these TASes I would be happy but I'm sure and know that it will be hard, maybe impossible and not everyone would agree with that. Atleast, I would like a different class or group of movies for these that would be eazily findable.
Posted: 2/23/2022 11:49 PM
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Count me out. I personally wouldn't want this to be done to my old movies. If there's a superior movie existing then digging out and publishing an old movie feels like pointing with your finger and saying look at this worse run, it's obsoleted! I do think authors might feel something like pride about their runs, so taking pity on now suboptimal movies feels... wrong. At least to me.
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Posted: 2/24/2022 2:02 AM
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CoolHandMike
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First edition TAS of 2023 Sega TAS of 2023
Interesting request. Not sure about the publishing, but making it easier to find rejected/cancelled for a game might result in a less of a loss of tricks/glitches. There are a few of those cases where a wrong setting or something would cause a game to get rejected for an otherwise perfectly acceptable tas. Those seem to be lost in gruefood.
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Posted: 2/24/2022 2:20 AM
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TiKevin83
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I would want this to be possible similar to the concept of "prior art" as I feel it would help document authorship in obsoletion chains, however I would hope and expect that it should be used exceedingly rarely.
Posted: 2/24/2022 3:43 AM
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We already do something like this. It's called Gruefood Delight and Obsoletely Fabulous. Wiki: Movies/GruefoodDelight Wiki: Movies/ObsoletelyFabulous
Posted: 2/24/2022 3:09 PM
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NES TAS of 2011
We link to the list of submissions on game pages. If it's organized to sort by branch and by time (or date), it will be easy to see it as speedrun history, some kind of a leaderboard too.
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