This topic is for the purpose of discussing #1453: Ash Williams's Genesis Contra - The Hard Corps "secret ending" in 05:01.70

I was contemplating doing this run because I thought it was very improvable. But not THAT improvable =\ I will have to check it out. TODO: Upload "shock" mood avatar ;p

hahaha, I thought you were kidding. Surprise surprise! Good job here, I have no idea how you whomped those bosses but it was an excellent run because of it.

Those poor bosses never knew what hit them... Yes vote. However, I don't think it should obsolete the old movie, as it earns a different ending imo.

Um... WHAT?

That was almost too short. Excellent run. Those bosses were beaten extra quick. Yes vote.

That's funny, this run ends right before you kill the final boss, maybe it's the version of Gens I'm using (it's labeled 20061213). Anyways, I thought your run was really cool, even if you did use the lame Japanese version (not a huge fan of taking damage in a Contra game). I won't vote until I can play your whole movie. If anyone is wondering how the glitch works, here is the procedure: -Select weapon B and press fire. -After you fire weapon B, switch to weapon D. I had to double tap because the game switched firing modes on me with the first button press. -Repeat I think this glitch works because weapons B and D use the same animation. I'm sure Ash Williams can explain more thoroughly. Peforming this glitch on a console is possible, but performing it consecutively is tough. I think this movie should obsolete Gigafrost's because Gigafrost's run is quite poor by current TAS standards. Sorry Gigafrost, but your run is 2 and a half years old. P.S. I guess this means I should start working on some Fang runs someday :-/ (speed run not TAS)

I'm wondering, would it have been any faster to use Brawny as player 2?

Wow, cool trick.Not sure I like taking the secret ending (which is pretty much a joke), but there's nothing wrong with the style of play at least. The Japanese version is... hm... feels like you're playing on Easy. I don't think this should obsolete our current run, but a run to any of the four standard endings should. Dromiceius: I remember reading that using 2 players increases the health of the bosses. It's not impossible that adding Browny helps though.

Voting yes! That was a great run, definitely, and a surprising one as well. I wonder what would a combo of Fang and Browny do on one of the full routes… That'd be double awesome, I guess.

Yes vote on this.

I downloaded the new Gens and even downloaded the .gmv file again, but it still doesn't work for me. This is what I see: http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e209/mikwuyma/?action=view&current=Contra-TheHardCorpsJ_000.jpg BTW, is there any chance that using your last bomb on the final boss would let you end input earlier? P.S. Don't tell me controller settings or wrong rom because I checked them both.

I'm glad you guys liked the run. mikwuyma nailed the glitch. Once you use the B weapon you switch to the D weapon. You have to wait 11 frames from when you first fired before you switch off the D weapon, and 10 after that before you can shoot again. I don't always do this however because sometimes it's faster to let the first shot hit the boss more because when the second one is fired, the first goes away. And yes using the bomb lets me end input earlier, but only after I fire 1 shot, it's not enough alone to kill the boss. As far as playing on "easy", the game play is the same between the (J) (U) and (E) versions, except for the hit points. I guess this makes it easier for the normal person, but the way I see it for a TAS, it's just another tool for going faster. It is not faster to have two players, my second attempt at this movie was with 2 people. I found it much harder to be able to fly through the beginning of the first level with 2 people. Also the game doesn't register damage as quickly with 2 players than with 1. Boss health is the same, but I think the game alternates frames to check for enemy damage between players. I would argue that this run should obsolete the old one only because this movie is faster up until the choice to get the secret ending. Otherwise you could have up to 5 movies for this game because each ending takes a different route. I'm leaving out the game over ending because I don't think anyone would want that. I hope no one else had problems playing the movie through to the end. I watched it on the 2006 version and it still worked.

I downloaded the new Gens and even downloaded the .gmv file again, but it still doesn't work for me. This is what I see: http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e209/mikwuyma/?action=view&current=Contra-TheHardCorpsJ_000.jpg BTW, is there any chance that using your last bomb on the final boss would let you end input earlier? P.S. Don't tell me controller settings or wrong rom because I checked them both.

The last two frames should be A at 5:01:41 and B at 5:01:42 If this is not the case, redownload the submission.

Nice and quick run, worth publishing though I don't think it should obsolete the old run. True this run may be faster up to the point of the secret ending, but there are too many differing factors which prevents them from being judged similarly. The rom change gives you lives/health to abuse, which sort of changes the game. And choosing the secret ending which can be attained more quickly is also another big factor that sets this run apart from the previous one. In other words, this run should be published, but it should be under a different category and should not obsolete the existing run.

Should there be a run for every different ending?

That took me longer to download than to watch. No arguments here. Yes vote.

Should there be a run for every different ending?

As long as there is only for the main 4 and the secret ending. If a different character is used for a published run, then the published is ousted.

But the fact that this is a secret ending sets it in a different category doesn't it? It's like the game ends prematurely

Yes, this run should be published alongside with Gigafrost's old movie (until someone really improves it). And the idea about separate run for every different ending isn't that bad... wouldn't it be great to watch 2-player version with best ending (the one with rocket at the end).

I have an idea for endings and stuff. Why not have 2 full runs with different paths, in addition to this movie? Have two sets of levels: the shortest one and the longest one.

So, we can have up to two movies for Contra - The Hard Corps, one for normal ending any-path, and one for best ending. So you cannot have more than two movies in one game because that will be too much. And if your playing different characters and you try to submit the movie that had more than two movie, if its the normal ending and its faster than the published movie, it will obsolete the old normal ending movie and replace it with new normal ending movie.

No, different categories can exist for numerous games. and be sure to always check that you don't contradict yourself in your own post.

be sure to always check that you don't contradict yourself in your own post.

“can have” != accept for publication, so he may not be contradicting himself. posting from my wii :o

This run for Best Ending, is it going to obsolete the Gigafrost run Normal Ending? Is it better to replace from Normal Ending to the Best Ending run, or the Best Ending run will publish it along the side of Normal Ending run.

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