Post subject: ListOfIdeas-page
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http://tasvideos.org/ListOfIdeas.html This page has been out of date for quite some time. Maybe it was never really up to date, or really any good. It's a pity, since I think the page could be quite useful. More and more TASes have already been done, it's would be nice to have a place where good ideas for TASing are listed. I created this thread, to have a place for quite a few things: - Suggestions of things/ideas that should be added to the page - Suggestions of things/ideas that should be removed from the page - Suggestions of changes to the page in general Suggestions of either of these things are very welcome, and could help improve the page. Not only suggestions of these things are helpful, but discussion about them probably is also. Maybe some game is suggested just because someone likes the game. This does not mean that it is suitable for TASing for instance. It would be nice to have arguments for why a certain game should be added/removed. I think this is important, because random games that not have been done being on the list could be really annoying for a person who thinks 'the site' regards it as a good idea. I remember a TAS being rejected for poor game choice, and then the author mentioned it was listed on the ListOfIdeas. Things like this should be avoided. Here are some things about the page which would be good to have some opinions about: - Should a TAS of a game that is listed on the ListOfIdeas always be highly likely to be a published? (pro: this will avoid situations like the one mentioned before, con: some random ideas which might be cool will go unnoticed) - What about runs that are being worked on? Should they still be listed, or should they be removed? Currently they are listed in italics, but is this a good idea? People who don't read the small line of text that says that ideas in italics are being worked on might think that these games are being suggested even more than the others. If for instance Bisqwit is working on Lunar Ball, is it still good to suggest this movie to other people (or even perhaps newcomers). It might be good to either remove ideas that are seriously being worked on, or list them in perhaps list them in grey or something? - What about improvements to movies that are already published on the site? I'm not 100% sure, but I think currently there are only a few of these listed. They are listed just as other games, that haven't been done before. If a published TAS is known to be sloppy, or if a lot of improvements have been found, should it also be listed on the list of ideas? Should they be listed in between the other ideas (maybe with another color or whatever), or have a seperate list? - Which suggestions should definately be removed? For instance, Super Mario Kart 2 players might be a nice movie to watch... but it's kinda unclear what the goals would be, and whatnot else. It would a LOT of work, and might not be received that well due to unclear goals. Should it really be listed? (there are a lot more 2 player suggestions) - Which suggestions should be added, and why? - Not sure, but is there an arcade rerecording emulator, with movie files that are officially accepted at the site? If not, I'd say the "Arcade" section should be removed. - How should certain objectives for a game be listed. At this point the page is pretty inconsistent about it. Sometimes, the objective (like for instance 2 players, or hard mode) is written right after the game. Sometimes it has a sublist below the game. Same goes with multiple games of one sort. Sometimes it lists "Super Bomberman 3, 4, 5", sometimes it lists "Rockman World (GB Mega Man) series:", and lists which parts in a sublist.
Post subject: Re: ListOfIdeas-page
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Baxter wrote:
- What about runs that are being worked on? Should they still be listed, or should they be removed?
Maybe move them to a subsection in that page titled "games being currently worked on" or something similar, and perhaps mention who is working on that game.
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One feature I'd like is to be able to view all movies ever published in either ascending or descending order.
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Warp wrote:
Maybe move them to a subsection in that page titled "games being currently worked on" or something similar, and perhaps mention who is working on that game.
Not a bad idea. I'd be interested in such a page, it would give a nice overview. It would however always be a very incomplete list. AKA: This is not a random feature request thread.
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How about if there were a form on the main page that allows anyone to add TAS ideas? It would have a "ROM name" field and a "Goal description" field. There could a +/- rating system, like with the youtube comments. Maybe a similar function to allow people to "claim" ideas. The output could be put into a table, like... Terranigma [E] | 100% run | +2 approval | 0 TASers have claimed this run Needless to say, there would also have to be a lot of filtering of bad and redundant input. I only suggest this because it seems like it would be way less work in the long run than manually editing a page on the wiki. Not to mention the fact that the general public would have access to it, rather than just the core members of this forum.
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I think the fundamental issue with most of the ideas that have been suggested are that the page is highly unlikely to be maintained efficiently, i.e. it will be impossible to keep up to date. Realistically, it seems as though most attention as of late has been directed here to the forums, and the livelihood of most suggestions could be determined by looking to see if a (recent) thread exists for the game in question and to create one if that's not the case. As such, a static list of ideas page is inherently not going to be able to keep up with the activity here. Now, if there were a dynamic system tied into the forums somehow, e.g. with the current submissions system, that would be more useful and would inherently be kept up to date.
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What do you think about the Genesis Game List: http://tasvideos.org/Aqfaq.html Has it been useful to anyone? Should it be moved to its own page (ListOfIdeas/Genesis for example) instead of being on my personal user page? (I have PMed Bisqwit about this a few days ago, but he has not read the message yet.)
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Dromiceius wrote:
How about if there were a form on the main page that allows anyone to add TAS ideas? It would have a "ROM name" field and a "Goal description" field. There could a +/- rating system, like with the youtube comments. Maybe a similar function to allow people to "claim" ideas. The output could be put into a table, like... Terranigma [E] | 100% run | +2 approval | 0 TASers have claimed this run Needless to say, there would also have to be a lot of filtering of bad and redundant input. I only suggest this because it seems like it would be way less work in the long run than manually editing a page on the wiki. Not to mention the fact that the general public would have access to it, rather than just the core members of this forum.
It's very true that the page would be hard to maintain by editors, and that this would be a solution. This would also kinda show how much the ideas that are put forward wanted, which is also cool. It would be a lot of work probably to implement it though :S
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What do you think about the Genesis Game List: http://tasvideos.org/Aqfaq.html Has it been useful to anyone? Should it be moved to its own page (ListOfIdeas/Genesis for example) instead of being on my personal user page? (I have PMed Bisqwit about this a few days ago, but he has not read the message yet.)
I think the page is nice, it shows exactly which games are done for that particular console, and which ones aren't. It could help people pick new projects, and it also is practical for being directly linked to submissions. I however don't think it should be named anything like "ListOfIdeas", since most of the games are not well suited for TASing (a smaller list of really good ideas seems better to me that suggesting all games that haven't been done). As to if the page is useful... I personally am not really into Genesis games (since I've never played any of them), so I can't really judge if the page is useful. Maybe it is to other people though.
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You'd need some pretty dedicated editors in order to keep it very up to date. I really like this idea, but there's also four problems with keeping a list of who's working on what: -some TASers like to work on stuff in secret -some TASers just put in their signature what they're working on -some TASers are incredibly distractable, and the list may change on a daily basis due to whimsical runners who decide to drop a project and start a different one at the drop of a hat. -what happens when someone has quit a run, but has no internet and cant relay it? Or simply can;t get on the site and give updates?
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Let the TASer play with this in their profile page ? Like a section that tells which games the player is working on. If someone is working in secret, he doesn't need to put it there.
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Baxter wrote:
I however don't think it should be named anything like "ListOfIdeas"
But it shouldn't be called anything like "Aqfaq" either. :) I can't think of a better place for the Genesis list than ListOfIdeas/Genesis. I would like to move it there for now, if it's ok. --- Edit: Oh, by the way, I think this line only clutters the ListOfIdeas page: "If a title is stricken through, the movie is submitted and is ready to be exempted from this list in case the movie is published." It serves no purpose most of the time.