Here is an improvement of 330 frames (5.5 seconds) to the previous run.
ROM version has been switched to PRG0. Reason: More interesting level names during the ending sequence. This run will still sync on ROM version PRG1, but please encode the run with the ROM version PRG0.
adelikat: Like many other TASers, this run is what brought me to TASvideos.org and to the art of TASing. So it means a lot to me that I was able to contribute something to the perfection of it.
Scrolling glitch and speed/entertainment tradeoff stuff
A new method was used in 8-Ship and 8-Tank2 to scroll very far to the right of the screen near the end of the level to enter the pipes about 45 frames faster in each case. This was at the tradeoff of some of the 1-up bouncing in those levels. Please see this alternate run, which is 90 frames slower, but the authors, of course, manage to get 99 lives magnificently™. The warpless run also contains more 1-up bouncing and does not use this glitch. (However, neither of these runs sync on PRG1.)
Level by level
Level
Frames gained
Reason
Frames sacrificed
Reason
Total Gain
1-1
1
Less hammer brother RNG lag
0
-
1
1-2
32
Sliding speed abuse
5
Bad hammer brother luck later forced this loss anyway, so we took a flower card by delaying the level entrance
27
1-3
2
Greater precision
4
Better hammer brother luck
-2
1-Fortress
10
Better running at the beginning, starting flight later
0
-
10
Map
1
-
0
-
1
8-Tanks
4
Reduced lag and better pipe entrance
0
-
4
8-Ship
51
Scroll glitch to the right side of the screen, better time countdown
0
-
51
Pipe
1
Subpixel abuse allowed farther sliding
0
-
1
Map
4
Better luck on the bridge
0
-
4
8-Airship
7
Better pipe entrance and boom-boom fight
0
-
7
Pipe
1
Subpixel abuse allowed farther sliding
0
-
1
8-1
1
Greater precision
0
-
1
8-2
13
Greater precision and sliding speed abuse
0
-
13
8-Fortress
3
Greater precision
0
-
3
Pipe
1
Subpixel abuse allowed farther sliding
0
-
1
8-Tanks2
42
Scroll glitch to the right side of the screen
0
-
42
8-Castle
138
New route
0
-
138
Bowser
22
New strategy
0
-
22
End
5
Better time countdown
0
-
5
Total
339
Thanks for watching!
9
-
330
Bisqwit: Got no adequate words to congratulate and praise :(
We're back where we started, only 40 levels stronger.
In any case, accepting and encoding. :)
I have a question, what's so interesting in ending scene text for PRG0?
The names are less of a cliche in PRG0 than in PRG1.
PRG0 PRG1
---- ----
GRASS LAND GRASS LAND
DESERT HILL DESERT LAND
OCEAN SIDE WATER LAND
BIG ISLAND GIANT LAND
THE SKY SKY LAND
ICED LAND ICE LAND
PIPE MAZE PIPE LAND
CASTLE OF KOOPA DARK LAND
I have a question, what's so interesting in ending scene text for PRG0?
in PRG0, the world names have more variety:
"Grass Land", "Desert Hill", "Ocean Side", "Big Island", " The Sky", " Iced Land", "Pipe Maze", and "Castle of Koopa"
in PRG1, the worlds are all (fill-in-the-blank) Land:
"Grass Land", "Desert Land", "Water Land", "Giant Land", "Sky Land", "Ice Land", "Pipe Land", and "Dark Land"
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
Well, PRG1 clearly has better name choices to describe this worlds. We too called them all like that during the early 90's. PRG0's aren't the official names, but as upthorn said, have more variety. Good ROM choice IMO for a more stylish change here.
Great run, great improvement. I noticed lots of clever little ways in which the previous run got improved, Bowser's castle seemed to have the largest improvement. So yes vote in all these aspects. However, I do firmly object to runs being published this quickly.
EDIT:
Comicalflop wrote:
what, no 90,000 rerecord count? what gives?
no seriously, will watch later tonight.
Incase you're wondering why there isn't some super high re-record rate. Its usually because when people do team TASes, much of the rerecords get lost through passing WIPs around.
Is it really necessary to discuss about the ROM change when it doesn't affect the run or the time in any way?
I liked this run although I prefer the warpless run because this one is 80% autoscrolling.
Indeed. It's hard to believe there were no possibilities to get them even with using the scroll glitches. At least on the first look it seems that by better analyzing and planning of the multiple rocket jumps during the autoscroller, it should be possible. Sorry if I'm wrong though.
The reason it is not possible is because Mario's P-meter will be instantly killed off if he is in the air for too long (256 frames). The memory address for this is 056E. For example, the best we were able to get on 8-Tank2 before losing P-meter was 2000 points (the 6th consecutive stomp).
We also discussed it as a group, and since 8-Tank was left intact (which we felt was the most impressive autoscroller in the run), we didn't feel it detracted from the overall movie. I personally don't care about the number of lives in the corner, but there is the alternate movie (which is now in the movie's description) for those who really like seeing "99" by the life counter.
Geez I've posted a lot today.. :(
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Xkeeper, I know you already changed the screenshot, but I still think it could be better. I was thinking something like the backwards jumping in 1-2 or kicking the koopa shell in 1-3 would make a good screenshot. Examples:
Any opinions?
Edit: Arranged pictures horizontally instead of vertically.
The first one is good. I would hands-down vote for the 3rd one if there wasn't a green graphical error at the right edge (part of the game, not the image).
"Need nothing else than just your pride to get there" ;)
Last year, when watching "God playing" video on YouTube, I was wondering why they included such sloppy moment as climbing brick stairs in SMB3. So I made an assumption it's the best way to cross the level.
Now what, another ground-shaking TAS! Congrats, guys. If I'm not mistaken, nearly all runs presented in the promo video now are obsolete.
Indeed. It's hard to believe there were no possibilities to get them even with using the scroll glitches. At least on the first look it seems that by better analyzing and planning of the multiple rocket jumps during the autoscroller, it should be possible. Sorry if I'm wrong though.
The reason it is not possible is because Mario's P-meter will be instantly killed off if he is in the air for too long (256 frames). The memory address for this is 056E. For example, the best we were able to get on 8-Tank2 before losing P-meter was 2000 points (the 6th consecutive stomp).
I didn't consider the P-meter fact into that. Seems like it's indeed impossible then. Thanks for clearing that up.
What the hell is up with complaining about fast publications? I seriously am not getting it at all. How is "something cool and epic" ruined by fast publishing? Please elaborate.
Something 'cool' and 'epic' can be ruined by a fast publication because it doesn't give people much of a chance to look at and comment on it. I had a lot to say about this run but since I was away for most of the day it was already submitted and published before I even managed to get onto my computer. Whats the point in having a workbench in the first place. You might as well privatley upload a submission to judge and where he can make a quick judgement call and decide whether to publish it or not.
What the point in having a workbench in the first place. You might as well privatley upload a submission to judge and where he can make a quick judgement call and decide whether to publish it or not.
That would be the ideal situation. Sadly, because Bisqwit doesn't have time or knowledge to judge all games objectively, we need this kind of public forum.
And I seriously doubt that anything you could have said would have affected the publication of this movie.
I have absolutely no idea where you got that from. He asked why we need a workbench if runs are published this quickly. I replied that because the decision making is not as easy for all games as it is for this one and because Bisqwit and the other judges don't have an infinite amount of time. I'll reiterate: The workbench is by no means useless, but in an ideal situation it would not be needed.
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The workbench may be worthless to a certain extent, especially for runs that have been improved multiple times. However, it has shown to have worth for runs that have questionable entertainment value as compared to the published movie, questionable technical improvements as opposed to what is known to be possible, and for games for which a run has never been done.
So unless you had planned on voting no for any of the "fast published" movies, and had a damn good reason for it, please be quiet, because it doesn't solve anything. If a run has improvements, it will simply be published again. No harm, no foul.
Any opinions?
Edit: Arranged pictures horizontally instead of vertically.
