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Posted: 2/17/2009 5:21 PM

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Mitjitsu

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Is a decision being made? it's been over 2 months.

Posted: 2/17/2009 7:25 PM

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Baxter

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Yeah, this should get going indeed. What would be preferred... assigning stars on the current date, or posting a updated list, narrowing down choices? (Some new movies might change things though, as for instance a Mega Man 2 movie was published, and Ninja Five-0)

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Posted: 2/17/2009 9:06 PM

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Fabian

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Just post a list already, there's been enough discussion. imo

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Posted: 2/21/2009 12:55 AM

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Fabian wrote:

Just post a list already, there's been enough discussion. imo

code I agree with fabian imo /code

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Posted: 2/21/2009 12:45 PM

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Baxter

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Ok, I'll do some research shortly on what has been posted, and what would the best initial list, and assign that. Changes can always be made later.

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Posted: 3/15/2009 4:10 PM
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Baxter

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Here it is! The new initial star list made up by what has been posted in this thread sofar. Not that it is in any way final, and it won't ever be. Opinions are always needed, and changes can and will always be made. This list comes closest to what has been posted sofar. Super Mario 64 "0 star" Mario 64 beaten without collecting any stars. Very optimized run, and pretty much everyone agreed that it should have a star. Gunstar Heroes "2 player" By far the most popular Gens TAS for a star (not counting Sonic). Super Mario World any% While the ‘small-only’-run has quite a few novelties, and might need a star more than the any% run, the any% run had more support in the end. A new 96 exit run might very well take this star though. Sonic 3 & Knuckles For many this run is an epitome of TASing… but it has been argued that the Sonic 2 run might be better suited for a star. Sonic Advance 2 Nearly everyone agreed that beside either the Sonic 2 or Sonic 3 TAS, this one should get a star. Super Metroid 100% This seemed to be the most popular Metroid run by far. Metroid Zero Mission 100% This run was slightly more popular than the Metroid Fusion 100% run. There were some arguments against having two 100% Metroid runs in the list, but they seemed to be far more popular than the any% runs. Mega Man 2 There was a very close competition between this and Mega Man 1. Since the discussion though, a new Mega Man 2 run has been published, which was very popular. For the time being, Mega Man 2 will get the star, maybe switching with Mega Man 1 some time in the future. Rockman and Forte “100 CDs” Very popular SNES run. It wasn’t very clear whether this run, or the any% was preferred more. The 100CD run was picked, with the argument that it shows more of the game. If the any% run is more up to date though, or other arguments for the any% version are welcome though. The Legend of Zelda “Second Quest” This was the most popular Zelda run at the moment. The second quest run was picked over the first quest, as the run is more up to date. A new full A Link to the Past run is in the making though, which will probably take this star. Castlevania Probably the most popular Castlevania run. Castlevania: Circle of the Moon This might create some controversy, as there were many people in favour of this TAS, and some specifically against it. This TAS is audiovisually attractive, with some great planning, and a good pace, but doesn’t have the glitching of HoD. Some people argued that certainly for first time viewers, HoD was a lot more interesting. The more glitched run was however already chosen for Sonic 3 vs Sonic 2, and Metroid Zero Mission vs Metroid Fusion. CotM gets it for now, and changes can always be made later. Ninja Five-0 This was going up against Bionic Commando and Umihara Kawase, which some people love, and some people hate. In the end, Ninja Five-0 was slightly more popular and has a newly published TAS. Mega Man X + Mega Man X2 Pretty much everyone agreed this concept needs to be represented in the list, and this TAS shows the concept best. Gradius Popular classic TAS, which excels at showing how fast reflexes can make autoscrolling very entertaining. Kings Bounty Prime example of long game completed quick, and very popular. Super Mario Bros 3 any% Current fastest version of Morimoto’s legendary TAS, which everyone felt needed to be present. Excitebike Seemingly uninteresting game to TAS made extremely interesting by being able to reach faster than normal speeds. Easy to like, even for people who haven’t played the game. Battle of Olympus Popular NES run with high speeds. Darkwing Duck Nice fast paced game, with a character that moves to the music. There were a number of popular NES games, this one gets the star for now. Gimmick! Unorthodox movement mechanics provide something entertaining and different. Biker Mice from Mars A relatively unknown racing game taken far beyond normal speeds letting the camera bite dust. Sparkster Either this or Rocket Knight Adventures was voted to have a star. Sparkster was picked for now, with less autoscrollers, but changes can always be made. Golden Axe Popular TAS with some unorthodox strategies. One note should be made, the N64 star category currently doesn't have its star assigned. Most popular was Majora's Mark, but lots and lots of new stuff has been discovered since the last run, and a new run will likely to end up with a star. It might be better if this star goes to another (N64?) run for now. Goldeneye is an option, or the All Quest OoT TAS, or something else? Some opinions are needed on this.

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Posted: 3/15/2009 6:55 PM

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The N64 category will probably be filled by the sub 1 hour OoT TAS whenever it gets ready. All in all I think that this is a very good list to start with, there are a few runs I'm not too fond of but that's inevitable, and in most cases I agreed with your decision when it was up to two or more movies competing for one star.

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Posted: 3/15/2009 9:06 PM

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Baxter wrote:

Super Mario 64 "0 star" Mario 64 beaten without collecting any stars. Very optimized run, and pretty much everyone agreed that it should have a star.

There's a sense of irony in there... :P

Posted: 3/15/2009 9:21 PM

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Nice to see this up and I have no problems with the list as it stands. As to the N64 star I think there are two options 1) give it to Goldeneye for now with a view to passing it on to Majora's Mask in future (I think "All Quests" is fundamentally unsuited for a star as will the upcoming any%). 2) Alternatively, it may be worth investing into the PSX category (which has recently arisen since these discussions began). At present the N64 category could potentially have two stars, but at the present rate I wouldn't be surprised if the PSX section has more movies by the end of 2009. Conversely, I don't see any reason we can't leave it unassigned at the moment rather than simply starring runs for lack of a better option. Both these sections are underdeveloped at present, but they are likely to become more full in the near future and the star could be assigned when more choice is available.

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Posted: 3/15/2009 9:38 PM

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I don't think the PSX category has enough entries to give one of them a star., just yet. :)

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Posted: 3/15/2009 9:59 PM

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From what I have seen in test versions and WIPs the new "bat less" SotN run might be star material.

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Posted: 3/15/2009 10:07 PM

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Warp wrote:

Baxter wrote:
Super Mario 64 "0 star" Mario 64 beaten without collecting any stars. Very optimized run, and pretty much everyone agreed that it should have a star.
There's a sense of irony in there... :P

Yeah, I was just about to mention how awesome that quote was. *sigged* :D

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Posted: 3/15/2009 10:24 PM

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Mitjitsu

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andrewg wrote:

Warp wrote:
Baxter wrote:
Super Mario 64 "0 star" Mario 64 beaten without collecting any stars. Very optimized run, and pretty much everyone agreed that it should have a star.
There's a sense of irony in there... :P
Yeah, I was just about to mention how awesome that quote was. *sigged* :D

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Posted: 3/16/2009 2:39 PM

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It's called the "0 Star".

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Posted: 4/6/2009 3:09 PM

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I've given the recently published A Link to the Past TAS the star that Zelda "second quest" had. It was hard to estimate exactly how popular the previous version of ALttP was, as it was pretty outdated... but this new version got a very positive response. If no one seriously objects, ALttP gets it for now.

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Posted: 4/17/2009 4:36 PM

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Well, Banjo Kazooie is published now. It's tied with 0 star in the N64 category for highest rated run (I'd throw in my personal opinion that it's a flawed result of the new rating system, but I'm not that mean). Should it get a star? Discuss.

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Posted: 4/17/2009 8:01 PM

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I really don't think that banjo kazooie is a good candidate for a star. It was reasonably entertaining, but the 100% condition made the thing drag at times. I would prefer that the punchier of the two stay starred.

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Posted: 4/17/2009 8:22 PM

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Twelvepack wrote:

I would prefer that the punchier of the two stay starred.

Which two?

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Posted: 4/17/2009 8:22 PM

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Comicalflop wrote:

Well, Banjo Kazooie is published now. It's tied with 0 star in the N64 category for highest rated run (I'd throw in my personal opinion that it's a flawed result of the new rating system, but I'm not that mean). Should it get a star? Discuss.

I still agree with Xkeeper that we should wait some predetermined amount of time before giving a new run a star. Stars should be rewarded based on how good the run is, not on how excited people are that it's finally out. Or whatever. (I'd throw in my personal opinion that saying you're not going to say something is really a douchewheeler way of saying it, but I'm not that mean).

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Posted: 4/18/2009 2:59 AM

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Baxter wrote:

Twelvepack wrote:
I would prefer that the punchier of the two stay starred.
Which two?

Chemocal flop mentioned SMB64 0 star run, in comparison to banjo kazooie. Not to imply its an either/ or scenario or anything.

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Posted: 4/18/2009 3:27 AM

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oh no, I wasn't saying 'replace', I was using the 0 star as a reference that they were tied. the zelda 64's were in consideration of star in addition to sm64, but I think BK should hold that title for now (in addition to the 0 star.) jimsfriend, you making that observation means that you're intelligent enough to get the humor of it, I hope. Also, the revert to the new rating system doesn't address the real problem, which is a new era of voters who are not keen on the subject of being critical. I predict that the 'blind yes votes' of the old will resurface from the voters of the now who will whine "but but but aww now how will we give perfect 10/10's on the movies we've been peeing our pants waiting for? I know, blindly vote yes and rate it 10/10 when it's published." But that would be mean of me to predict.

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Posted: 4/18/2009 3:52 AM

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I have the IQ of a monkey.

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Posted: 4/18/2009 8:00 PM

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Comicalflop wrote:

Also, the revert to the new rating system doesn't address the real problem, which is a new era of voters who are not keen on the subject of being critical.

I think what we need here is some sort of "voting" test. Hell, why not a test to watch movies in the first place? This would be a good way to keep people like jimsfriend away (damnable monkey brained fool).

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Posted: 10/25/2009 12:12 PM

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Someone suggested to let the new any% Super Metroid movie have the Super Metroid star for the time being (the 100% run had it). So for now, the star goes to the any% run. Someone also suggested a change the current star system. The reasoning goes in the following way: It isn't very clear what the current definition is of movies that are starred, but at least at some point the definition was "suggested movies for newcomers". One of the current goals of the site is to be appealing for newcomers, to get them interested, and to make them stick around. The current star list is a combination of great TASes for well-known games, and games that aren't as well-known. The idea is to have two seperate sorts of 'star' lists, one particularly for newcomers, which will contain games that newcomers will be familiar with. The second list would contain great TASes of games that aren't as well known, and might be missed out on if they don't get some special attention. Any opinions, suggestions or ideas regarding this?

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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:21 PM

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