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Posted: 5/28/2010 7:50 PM
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Hi Marcos, thank you. I'm changing my goal, to improve the 102% I must use the same difficulty level. So, my main objective now is to just implement the any% tricks on the 102%. Krockhead Klamber, Klobber Karnage and Castle Crush can't be improved, but I promisse to do my best to not lose so many frames on those stages.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 11:04 PM
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Thought I'd posted this already. http://www.archive.org/details/DonkeyKongCountry2TasWip
Posted: 5/29/2010 1:33 AM
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So much epic. Words can hardly describe the epic. Is it necessary to enter some of the extra stages, though? Like the bonus round and Funky's?
Posted: 5/29/2010 1:51 PM
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Lost 54 frames on Krockhead Klamber, but Slime Climbe gave me a little speed boost. and here it is, 1411 frames ahead after Slime Climbe. The next stage is my favorite, don't wait for anything to be completed soon here, I like Bramble Blast that much! @ IMPblackbelt: yes, it's 1% for each kong member. hey, wait a minute! your question gave me another crazy idea. what about just find the bonus but not collect the coin? like in DKC1? I know we need them to pay Klubba, but we can grab them all in Pirate Panic.
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Posted: 5/30/2010 12:25 PM
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Dooty wrote:
hey, wait a minute! your question gave me another crazy idea. what about just find the bonus but not collect the coin? like in DKC1? I know we need them to pay Klubba, but we can grab them all in Pirate Panic.
Interesting idea, it would beat the game faster. But I think it decrease the entertainment value, cause is nice to see the bonus stage beaten so fast.
Posted: 5/30/2010 1:14 PM
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No way! You must complete and collect the coin on all bonus stages to achieve 102%. But… collecting all 75 coins on Pirate Panic can save a lot of time! This would be a new route for the 102%: Collect all 75 coins on Pirate Panic. Enter Klubbas Kioskes as soon as they’re available on the map. Complete Arctic Abyss but proceed to Animal Antics. Defeat K. Rool on Krocodile Kore. Not sure if a restart is faster, but it’s not necessary. (but, by not restarting, you can skip the Rare logo) Make your way to K. Rool Duel, defeat him again and voila, 102%!
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Posted: 5/30/2010 1:44 PM
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Ok, I'm voting YES for your tactic. But it can to be considered CHEAT for some people (not for me). P.S: Your WIP link doens't work here.
Posted: 5/30/2010 5:48 PM
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Maybe, but you must collect them again while playing, so I guess it's not a cheat, but a shortcut. by the by, the link is not working here either, so I can't post another one... try again later.
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Posted: 5/30/2010 6:59 PM
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Ok, ok. Liked your idea. But it makes me thinking: Why no one thinked about this before?
Posted: 5/30/2010 10:06 PM
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I guess it's so silly that no one wanted to try it before, but when I finish my Hybrid TAS I'll try this out, just for the heck of it!
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Posted: 5/30/2010 10:16 PM
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Marcokarty wrote:
But it makes me thinking: Why no one thinked about this before?
Because it's not really the true 102%. I for one wouldn't want to watch such a video skipping the later stages and a lot of bonuses.
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Posted: 5/30/2010 11:09 PM
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No, you can't skip the later stages, as I said, you MUST complete all stages to achieve 102%, only the route would be different. it kinda break the game sequence, defeat the second version of K. Rool before the first one... but you still have to play the entire game. I can't tell for sure how much time it can save, but I guess 2000~2500 frames can be saved with this route change.
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Posted: 5/30/2010 11:40 PM
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Yeah! I'm with Dooty here. I think he's right. Maybe ComicalFlop doesn't understood. I don't see any problem doing Dooty's route. Man, you can to finish this TAS with MANY frames ahead! Would be great!
Posted: 5/31/2010 12:17 AM
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Well, it’s not so many frames, but thanks for your enthusiasm Marcos… Another example of route change that gave a good result: Rambi Rumble. Anyone would have used Rambi, but Comicalflop saved time by not using it. But remember, I’m not a TASer, the only way for me to test this route will be reusing Comicalflop’s TASes, so if it work it's all thanks to his efforts as a TASer.
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Posted: 5/31/2010 12:22 AM
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How are you going to enter the last bonus right before the end of the level without rambi? Ah, now that I see your idea is a route change... it's kinda like an in-game cheat, which is eh... you'd also have to consider the time taken to get the 75 koin trick, and whether that negates any time saved from beating special k rool before normal k rool. Also, if reset can be done rather than pressing a button after the "best" ending.
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Posted: 5/31/2010 1:48 PM
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The Rambi example was just an... example. sorry, but my English skills are still very limited. the only change I'm refering to is: Arctic Abyss -> Animal Antics. also, no back track is needed to enter Klubbas Kioskes, but the time will be saved on the cut scenes, the long conversation with Cranky will be outside the movie, I know it's a cheap trick, but well... /oh, oh... you are right. using reset is faster, but TAS Movie Editor doesn't work after reset... I'll need some help if I want to test it... //better yet, I'll make a version without reset, just for comparison.
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Posted: 6/1/2010 2:08 PM
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here's some numbers: collect the coins wastes ~2230 frames skip Crank's cut scene saves ~4013 frames = ~1783 frames saved (with reset) = ~790 frames saved (without reset) um... too much trouble for a few frames. The only advantage would be don't use reset and watch both endings on a single run!!! and here's a test to collect the coins on Pirate Panic. and a new Hybrid TAS wip. (maybe the last one) I managed to skip some barrels on Bramble Blast.
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Posted: 6/2/2010 12:35 PM
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Hi, Dooty! Nice work you're doing here. I was thinking about SLIME CLIMB, isn't there a way to use the float trick to reach the first Bonus faster? Can you use the float trick twice in the same stage?
Posted: 6/2/2010 2:01 PM
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Hi, to use the floating trick you need three things: enter a safe water, switch the kongs and take damage, you can use it twice on Slime Climbe, but you need to wait for the water to rise, and it wastes a lot of time, so using this trick to reach the bonus won't save time. I'm putting my Hybrid TAS on hold until I finish this test run. a run that shows both endings of Donkey Kong Country 2.
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Posted: 6/4/2010 3:21 PM
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My two runs are almost the same, so this will be my Hybrid run from here on, there's one advantage on my new run though, you can watch the credits, YAY!!!
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Posted: 6/5/2010 4:30 PM
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The 2nd (1st?) battle with Kaptain K. Rool is no more. <wondering> It uses a kind of cheat to collect the 75 coins, and I know it's against the rules to take advantage of cheats to create a TAS, but, use a warp barrel or a glitch to finish a level faster isn't a kind of cheat? Anyway, it's just a concept, so I guess it's ok... </wondering>
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Posted: 6/5/2010 5:08 PM
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ya i didnt get why you collect the coins at the begining of the very first stage. also why you need to enter every kong scene (you know those those kongs parennts like the granpa kong and the unle kong) if you dont use then... i dinbt get both of these strategies
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Posted: 6/5/2010 6:26 PM
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The 75 coins on Pirate Panic are collected to allow me to enter Animal Antics sooner, wich allows me to fight with the 2nd K. Rool before the 1st one and skip a cut scene. The kong family adds 1% each to your final score and I want to reach full completion, so, I must visit all kong houses, complete all levels and collect all Krem and DK coins. /by the by, collect the 75 coins on Pirate Panic adds nothing to your final score.
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Posted: 6/5/2010 10:06 PM
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How you'll do the Castle Crush glitch without the barrel?
Posted: 6/7/2010 12:12 PM
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I promisse, I'll stop messing with someone elses TASes, for good! but, feel free to use my concept if you find something useful on it. This is the last one. @ Marcokarty: The glitch is only useful on the any% run. The bonus levels and the DK coin are located above the point where the glitch can be used.
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