Ahh, thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I like the repeated use of Big Toss; it's more interesting than chaining the bat dash repeatedly. Pity about the slow rises before Dracula, though.
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Thanks for those who liked the run/idea :p
Captain Forehead wrote:
I feel scared now.
Without the bat relic? Are you planning on submitting this?
.... :/
I would submit if i can beat the time, the point is, it take up to guardian room (end...) for bat to catch with my time
If i can skip richter, i might be able to beat it, eventually, with a bunch of luck and optimization, then what, i dont submit a better timer because you scared?
Sry guys if i look like jerk, but well, few comments was out of the subject i guess
Im not trying to make a different category, else i would say it, and basicly, i would not use half of the current run
Now on that matter, if it would be possible to make any other category, im up for the challenge :) i can finish this game in any possible way
I can do a speedrun with just 1 relic (wolf) and make it still entertaining (like this one...) or whe could do rather all relics, but that a bit more long run tough (nearly 1 hour)
Captain Forehead wrote:
Like without the wolf or the mist.
The only relic you cant skip whatever you try is the wolf, the only way to remove the wolf from the run is to get the holy glasses from maria
The only way to acquire the bat is to get the mist, regardless (or need 2Heart Refresh + duplicator...)
Note you can get the mist without wolf, but its tricky, and would loose time anyway
daniayaw wrote:
i really think you guys should put the original sound instead of these musics.. or is there a good reason? XD
Just for fun :) but seriously, i cant stand to hear "shshshhshhhshs" anymore (alucard moonwalk)
Edit: ha for the record, since noone here will catch it, i use a very very very nasty technique to (un)kill karasuman, the point is if i kill him i will lvlup, i end up with about 45HP, witch brake big toss from fleaman in keep (16dmg = max 32HP... without toadstool at least)
This was much more entertaining that I expected, I'd love to see more if it's possible.
I liked the creative divejumps off monsters to get to higher areas, and the big tossing.
That was really interesting. The most shocking fact, of course, was that you almost caught up to the bat TAS.
If you optimize it, skip Richter and make cleaner per-room toss routes, you may actually beat the bat run. Wanna do it?
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
Im trying :p
There is more factor than it might look like, just the exp (level) is something very complex, especialy if i want to skip richter, i have now a valid idea to pass trough him, the only problem is im not sure how much time it take, it will look very akward if it work :p
Now for the obvious errors, i know i dont need 255 antivenon for exemple
I still think the fairy will go faster than speak + buy at librarian tough (potions), even if i need to wait poison, the dialogue with librarian take times (and need backtrack...)
Overall there is a lot of planning and testing for getting something optimized
Another simple exemple, with the leather shield (on your way in begin...), i would have used less menu access, because, it give only +1DEF, witch doesnt interfere with big toss (Alucard shield give +4 or +5 DEF, witch does reduce damage subished, and void some big toss, especialy for keep)
Im going to do this seriously and restart fresh, so eventualy i can be lvl3 in library and improve it
That might take me a while to finish it, but even if i fail to beat the old time, i guess its suited for gruefood since some people liked the idea, and in any case, i will not end "that" far away from current time like this test run prooved (not like i would sacrifice half the speed for my ideas)
Even if you fall slightly short of beating the current run, there's always the possibility to add your submission to the published movie's description.
Warp wrote:
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Bisqwit wrote:
I rather like this way, looks more interesting/difficult than the bat-dash. Though much of the "this is difficult trick made easy" goes away due to the huge quantities of health restores used.
Still, I like.
Not sure what you meant by "easy", but this is definitly not possible real time, i made many real time runs, abusing states or not, timings are just too strict
Im not only speaking on preventive potions or toss madness, just a regular jump is a pain in the ass, im not trying to make it look harder than it is, just get a hand on the current pxm and try some rooms, youll see what i mean
Ive started my own run now, and i can say theres few frames there and here to win (about 5-10 frames saved on dracula fight for exemple), but the whole run is very difficult to reproduce, most rooms was very optimized
I finished library, pheww!
Compared to test run, i loosed 64 frames... tough.. i have potions ready, and much more important... im level4 (28HP) witch mean i can big toss on small skulls in clock tower, witch will save a huge chunk of waiting frames on the fleaguard :p
The library was actually much improved (over 4 seconds) and look awesome imo lol, the frames looses are dispatched on the begin, since i needed some adjustement for getting that low level
*hope by the weekend its done*
Today i was able to beat Zggzdydp's run, only by about 400 frames, but im far from having a optimized run here, not speaking of errors i made on the late part of it, main trouble is i dont have a efficient way to control drops (for now... i hope some help from pirate about that), i do much more relay on them since i dont have the bat, and there is place for a bunch of optimization
I could skip the dialogue with richter but im not realy sure if im using the best strategy, this place is realy complex to deal with
Overall its much more hard and time consuming than i first tought :p
No bat will win in the end, but theres still a huge work before i get something nice enough to be submited
If i can fix the few troubles i have in my current file ill try to post a second test run on youtube :D
Hey, 400 frames is a pretty impressive improvement in a 5-minute run. Nice work! I'm glad to hear that no-bat is faster in the end because it really does make the run more visually interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing what you have. :)
Edit:
Satoryu wrote:
he's talking about the Alucard run, not the Richter run.
Right, I'm a moron. Carry on.
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I was talking of alucard run of course (20:18...)
I have no idea how much i will save from it, for sure it will be over 1000 frames tough, considering errors, time for drops and that i might not have the best strategy for now, i cant tell exactly what will be the final result
Eh, since its been a while, and that the optimized run will take lot of time to produce, i guess this is worthy to upload and been watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkaxYOKMYig
This one beat the current submition, but since i dont have drop the right sword (mablung), i cant realy beat dracula enough fast, tough its faster about 400 frames, just i wasnt patient enough with that sword, and also the other point is that now i have a better strategy for keep & skip richter, overall it seem i made quite few errors, pirate could optimize a bunch of the begining
More work ahead, but its all good, now i just need to find sometime to do this more seriously, or team up with pirate :p
Edit: ha yeah, i used frame advance on dialogues, 2 reasons, first its boring, second its to see (aprox) how much time saved when you skip dialogues, chinesse guys are working on doing this a more "human" way, with savestates but not a tas, and they do skip dialogues (clear game), i except this to be between 13:00 to 14:00
