Highness: to beat all courses on world record times is really easy to say but it would take you very much time and insane work to do it specially complicated courses like Sand Ocean. You see even on Mute City 1 (the by far easiest course) it took me 1, with improvement even 2 days already only for the first lap of 25 seconds. I tell you I did already more than 6200 rerecords for 1 lap and it is only 0.01 seconds faster than the first lap of the world record.
The world record time is not just a normal time but the best (and surely many times improved over years) time ever made. It's really not that easy to beat this time like that. See Tuggummis improved movie of Mute City 1 which is 1:53 seconds slower than the world record but still awesome played. This gave me the idea to try it myself and I can't even guarantee that I will be able to break the record, at least I try to.
Wow! Thats alot of time spent. I suppose more than one person could work on this project though. Make a level each and hex edit together or something.
I will just plainly love to see the run of Mute City 1.
I watched Tuggummis video. Very good.
Some questions though. When getting the super booster. Is it best to use it as a shortcut over the sand area, which usually slows you down. Is this affected by the booster?
In the first lap you are traveling along side with the ledge that usually bumps you and destroys your ship a bit. Would it be wizer to save the super booster for a straight road instead a curvy one?
In the beginning of the first lap you bounce on the first ship and not on the second one (the green one). How come?
Some questions though. When getting the super booster. Is it best to use it as a shortcut over the sand area, which usually slows you down. Is this affected by the booster?
Definitely the best place to use since as long as you have the booster sand won't slow you down and you can make a perfect shortcut.
The answers to the other questions Tuggummi should know better. I guess the bumping to the green ship at start would not increase your speed that much like the blue one, but I'm not sure.
In the first lap you are traveling along side with the ledge that usually bumps you and destroys your ship a bit. Would it be wizer to save the super booster for a straight road instead a curvy one?
I didn't quite understand what you ment here, Im travelling near the side mostly after half way of the track where I first after the jump get my ship as close the left side so I can turn my ship better and possibly faster to the part where is the sand area. And in the sand area im traveling just in the line between the sand and the fence which is clear road, but a very narrow one too :) And as Saturn already said, after you get the speed booster the sand area definetly is the best place to use it, because you can cut that part straight without losing speed. I just didn't do it perfectly, because i realized there is no way to beat the world record in mute city without practice mode. I've watched the world record movie and it really is played with almost inhuman skills. If Saturn can beat that even by 10 milliseconds per lap I will salute him for job well done!
Highness wrote:
In the beginning of the first lap you bounce on the first ship and not on the second one (the green one). How come?
I did this on my first version, I bumped on the blue then the green. It is certainly possible, but for the second version i decided to try a double bump on blue one and that gave me significantly bigger boost, but over a much longer timeline. I haven't measured which is faster, but in this version i did get a better opening lap, although as i said before i might've just played better overall.
Also this is the reason why it is impossible to beat the world record in grand prix mode, because in grand prix it is impossible to get a bump from Golden Fox (yellow one which has the fastest acceleration).
Although if you really want to play grand prix, then i suggest the King League, because none of those tracks are available in practice mode which does put both you and legit world record players to the "same line".
Good news: I mastered the second lap with 23:19 (I will even try still to improve this lap-time) after rerecording the last corner about 300 times to find the best possible line. This is 0.03 sec faster than 2nd lap of WR!
Now I begin to believe that I truely can do it.
EDIT: Nope, I could once again improve by some pixels but unfortunately there are about 2 pixels (maybe even 1) not enough for 23:18 :-(
But this pixel-advantage I can take to the next lap anyway so it's not that bad.
Wow! Amazing. 300 re-recordings for a single corner. That provs alot of patience. :)
But then of course.. Your goal is of a greater calibre than my current goals. :)
F-zero is one of my most prefered serie games (I even took my nick out of that game), hope that you can make some WR out of it, though you will surely need lots of time and patience to make it, but I'm sure you can make it ^.^
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I think white land I is the best place to try to beat a WR. Those jump shortcuts are awesome.
But i'm impressed with your results, very nice. like i said, i did it 2 seconds slower than WR, so, my respect goes to you :)
Also consider one reason you may be having so much trouble beating the "world records" is that they are not actually legitimate. Considering how few people in this world actually give a rat's ass about honesty and integrity, it's very plausible if not highly probable you are competing against emulated videos.
Damn it, looks like I can't reach 23:19 of the 2nd lap in the 3rd lap again, because I had 2 or 3 km/h speed advantage in the 2nd lap after crossing the start line. I got 23:21 but with some speed advantage again and this is the best I could do. Lets go to lap 4...
Re-record count: 10453 so far
Man... if a whole circuit is done you will probably have more than 100,000 re-records. I find it insane than someone can do almost as good in 1 try at full speed. Makes me think he did something different you just might not be catching. What that is I don't know. Maybe someone at the f-zero forums would know, but something makes me think they wouldn't be too fond of time-attacking.
I think I know all I need for world record attacking so far because I tried everything and did my best of it. Mastered lap 4 in 23:19 in a quickrun again since I had speed advantage in this lap as I said before.
Now the final lap... I'm very concentrated at the moment and I think If all works well I will be done in about 1-2 hours.
Holy cow, a 23"19 1-boost lap :o . The WR for a 1-boost lap on MC1 is _just_ 23"20 and best first lap is 25"41 like you've gotten too.
So a perfect run wouldn't be any longer a 1'58"21, with 4 ultimate 23"19 laps it should be now a 1'58"17....nice :).
strange, so far I know the WR is 23:22 for a 1-boost lap. Is there a site with even faster times like you said? I would be interested to see some records there, if its really true.
And no, I can't get 4x 23:19 times in a row since every time I get 23:19 I have to take a shortcut that lowers my speed a bit so the next lap is a bit slower then.
I improved the 4th lap to even 23:17 but lost many speed for the final lap and now it seems that I even can't make a 23:21 in this lap :-(
So far I got a total time of 1:58:20 which is already 0.21 sec faster than the WR of 1:58:41 I know so far, but I try at least to improve to 1:58:19 because a 19 looks much better than a 20. So far it looks impossible but I try some variations to make sure if it really works.
I couldn't believe it myself, I improved the final lap from 23:22 to 23:19 again but this time even with Speed-disadvantage. The Final Time is 1:58:17!!! and this is 0.24 sec faster than WR. I will submit it right now!
w00t, that was really awesome to watch!
Btw. I was wrong with the 23"20, 23"22 is still the best 1-boost only done by Toshiruyu Horibe and Richard Luke...maybe some more japanese players, who knows hehe.
Saturn made a concept demo of one track, but there's definitely some demand for a full run.
I have no particular ideas, other than that SRAM should be used if it's needed to play the hardest difficulty, as it is in Super Mario Kart.
The one level I'd really love to see done is Fire Field. That level was EVIL. Anybody who could pull off an excellent TAS of that would make my day. :)
I'd like to see someone finish more than one track, but I'm not holding my breath. A run through of every championship a la the existing Super Punch Out!! movie would be the ideal goal.
