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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:27 PM
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YaLTeR
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In the Source games' speedrun community the runs done with host_timescale are called TSA-s (timescale-assisted) rather than TASes, especially now that advanced TAS tools are available for GoldSource and very basic scripting tools are available for Source which show how much the difference is between human-slowmotion and fully scripted runs.
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Posted: 6/15/2015 4:19 PM
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please enlighten me as to how LUA scripting is being used in half-life 2 and other source games? or are you using a different scripting language to assist your gameplay? PS: I am even more of a beginner than the OP.
Posted: 6/15/2015 7:14 PM
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skypickle wrote:
please enlighten me as to how LUA scripting is being used in half-life 2 and other source games? or are you using a different scripting language to assist your gameplay? PS: I am even more of a beginner than the OP.
It's not LUA scripting. Scripts or scripting in the Source community it what we call programming or automating inputs, basically.
Posted: 6/19/2015 8:02 AM
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We use Source Pause Tool made by Yalter & config files
Posted: 1/24/2016 7:29 PM
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Link to video I did NOT run this. It's also VERY fast and WTF.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 8:37 PM
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Yeah, it's WTF! Sometimes I don't know what is going on! YalTeR told me that they had lots of desyncs during the progress. He thinks it's a problem with physics. Anyway, I didn't expect this result!
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Posted: 1/24/2016 8:38 PM
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Yup, the physics are sometimes (often) inconsistent and it's something in the vphysics DLL which I don't want to dig into.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 9:12 PM
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Explanation video: Link to video To clarify, the TAS and this video were NOT made by me.
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Posted: 1/24/2016 9:22 PM
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Well that wasn't complicated at all.
Posted: 1/24/2016 10:52 PM
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Any chance that Jukspa's run could make it onto the site? :-D
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Posted: 11/30/2016 4:21 AM
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Speedy TAS of 2015
DemonStrate wrote:
Any chance that Jukspa's run could make it onto the site? :-D
Seconded!! Can we make Portal an authorized TAS engine, allowed to run only one game: Portal?
Posted: 12/4/2016 10:00 AM
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YaLTeR
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There's a number of problems with the current state of TAS tools for Portal, and frequent desyncs is a major one.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 7:27 PM
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YaLTeR wrote:
There's a number of problems with the current state of TAS tools for Portal, and frequent desyncs is a major one.
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Posted: 9/29/2018 1:56 PM
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SNES TAS of 2023 PC TASer of 2020 PC TAS of 2020 TASer of 2019 PC TASer of 2019 First edition TAS of 2019 PC TAS of 2019 TASer of 2018 PC TASer of 2018 First edition TAS of 2015 First edition TAS of 2014 Computer TAS of 2013
I'd like to try to port the current Portal TASes to libTAS to see if it would work, but I'm unsure what would be the best way to do it. Would it be better to: - Parse SPT .cfg files and convert/export to libTAS input files - Parse HL2DEMOS .dem files and convert/export to libTAS input files - Patch SPT, play the demos inside Portal with SPT plugin loaded so that it prints inputs into a file.
Posted: 9/29/2018 5:09 PM
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Hmm, let me think. Before you try converting any TASes, I must say that they will probably desync even if ran with a theoretical Linux SPT on the Linux Portal. First of all it's a different version (the game is usually ran at the 5135 version which came out before Valve made Linux ports), and secondly I tried running some Half-Life TASes on Linux, on the same Half-Life engine version as on Windows (the Half-Life TAS tool, BunnymodXT, is cross-platform), and they desynced, even if I replaced all the autostrafing in scripts with final button inputs. This is most likely due to different floating point assembly instructions leading to very slight precision loss which quickly adds up in the 3D world of Half-Life and the precise nature of TASes. Now, demos won't be a good approach because they are lossy and don't really capture input properly (they capture player positions and angles and whatnot). I would go with converting the scripts, however first you'll need to extract the final inputs since the scripts contain commands like "strafe optimally into this direction". This must be done by modifying SPT, I guess I can help here. Then it might work or it might not, who knows: SPT doesn't use the console commands like +jump or +forward for input, it sits a level lower than this, directly in the input code, so it might turn out there are some issues that arise when trying to go a level higher. I'd suggest you try porting a Half-Life TAS first since the tools are much more mature. I can port some small TASes I made to Linux Half-Life (as I said above simply launching the Windows version leads to small desyncs) and then export it into final button inputs (this functionality is already implemented). I will also be able to help diagnose potential desyncs, and it will be easier than in Source, too, since Source is much more complicated and doesn't have debug symbols avaliable. EDIT: oh yeah, another point against porting the Portal TASes: since the Source physics have some very strange inconsistencies, certain scripts were needed to be run multiple times until the outcome was good, and also some segments were recorded manually as if in a segmented speedrun, to ease up proper prop positioning where there was no time constraint.
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Posted: 8/9/2019 4:06 PM
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SNES TAS of 2023 PC TASer of 2020 PC TAS of 2020 TASer of 2019 PC TASer of 2019 First edition TAS of 2019 PC TAS of 2019 TASer of 2018 PC TASer of 2018 First edition TAS of 2015 First edition TAS of 2014 Computer TAS of 2013
Small update about Half-Life: I could launch it successfully on libTAS from commit 30d20e4. Required settings are: - Runtime > Force locale > Native, and also uncommenting "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" in /etc/locale.gen and running locale-gen as su to avoid a popup message at startup - Uncheck Runtime > Prevent writing to disk as it crashes on level loading - Runtime > Wait timeout > Infinite waits - Runtime > Virtual Steam client
Posted: 8/10/2019 12:03 AM
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Nice! Theres some interesting mods for this game I wanted to tas!
Posted: 8/22/2019 5:29 AM
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YaLTeR
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keylie wrote:
- Uncheck Runtime > Prevent writing to disk as it crashes on level loading
Yeah, afaik HL1 writes and reads files on every map change. The files should contain, among other things, the state of all previously visited maps. I'm not sure if that state is saved anywhere in memory so it might be desirable to save those files in savestates.
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Posted: 10/17/2021 9:27 PM
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Would love to check this out.
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