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In my opinion, an apology is not enough. He should be stripped from his duties. I believe in second chances and therefore can remain a regular user. Nach, there really is no need to degree this issue as you put it "any meaningful way". It was done, period. Whether it was done six months ago or yesterday, it really does not matter. What matter is he is still in charge of publishing as far as I am concerned. Any sane site leader, senior admin or whatever high rank you have, would distance themselves from this situation or suffer the consequences, in form of tarnished reputation.
It's just a complete waste of time bickering to what degree he did it, saying this isn't the proper topic to talk about it. All this is just bullshit and sweeping it under the rug. We go into endless loop of discussion, explaining and questioning so many things that in the end, we forget what we were arguing about.
An apology is not enough, nor am I asking he should be crucified.
Lastly, given the toxic environment we live in, ask yourself when was the last time someone you talked with said something like: "Yeah, you know what? You are right". The point of the matter is, we are hellbent on standing firm with our principals and views that we won't accept new point of views, reconsider what has actually happened or taking a step back.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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In my opinion, an apology is not enough. He should be stripped from his duties. I believe in second chances and therefore can remain a regular user. Nach, there really is no need to degree this issue as you put it "any meaningful way". It was done, period. Whether it was done six months ago or yesterday, it really does not matter. What matter is he is still in charge of publishing as far as I am concerned. Any sane site leader, senior admin or whatever high rank you have, would distance themselves from this situation or suffer the consequences, in form of tarnished reputation.
It's just a complete waste of time bickering to what degree he did it, saying this isn't the proper topic to talk about it. All this is just bullshit and sweeping it under the rug. We go into endless loop of discussion, explaining and questioning so many things that in the end, we forget what we were arguing about.
An apology is not enough, nor am I asking he should be crucified.
Lastly, given the toxic environment we live in, ask yourself when was the last time someone you talked with said something like: "Yeah, you know what? You are right". The point of the matter is, we are hellbent on standing firm with our principals and views that we won't accept new point of views, reconsider what has actually happened or taking a step back.
I agree with so much of this. Most importantly "an apology is not enough." A lot of the responses we've been receiving here have been incredibly lackluster and unbecoming of an administrative team.
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AngerFist wrote:
In my opinion, an apology is not enough. He should be stripped from his duties.
Why are you using the singular when it is plural?
AngerFist wrote:
It was done, period.
What is the "it" you speak of?
If you want us to take your suggestions regarding the topic under discussion, you should fist indicate you're even speaking about the topic under discussion and understand what happened and not be focusing on what didn't.
As for issues other than re-encode flooding by encoders and publishers, if you want to discuss them, please start a new thread.
Edit:
In general, I don't believe in getting rid of people over a single incident, unless the incident was really bad, like kidnapping, murder, etc...
As I said earlier, all the people involved have been warned. If they flood with dozens of encode releases again, there will be dealt with severely.
Warning: Opinions expressed by Nach or others in this post do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or position of Nach himself on the matter(s) being discussed therein.
You're completely ignoring the fact that one of the users in question is regularly aggressive, abrasive, and toxic, and that this incident is such an inappropriate use of his position that it can't be considered in isolation.
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Nach, you win the moron award of the decade. Congrats buddy and here is to ya! :)
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
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natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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AngerFist wrote:
Nach, you win the moron award of the decade. Congrats buddy and here is to ya! :)
AngerFist, the to me seemingly rather uninformed (with respect to this thread's topic) here are you, not Nach, by not reading up on additional information about Spikestuff and fsvgm777 (hence plural in regards of the thread's topic is already applicable). And throwing curses, so I claim, will unlikely help for the better in here, when they possibly come as substitution for either lack of interest or lack of motivation in reading what has been said to stay up to date on the matter or not finding words as response otherwise or instead of asking for clarification on for what possibly valid reasons Nach repeatedly reminds of the plural here. However, I can see your response as result out of affect (likely caused by a simple minor misunderstanding), which makes it more understandable that it happened and can be more easily dismissed as being just such instead of it being seen as a serious response reflecting your stance/view on this thread's matter.
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You're completely ignoring the fact that one of the users in question is regularly aggressive, abrasive, and toxic, and that this incident is such an inappropriate use of his position that it can't be considered in isolation.
And fmp, you may not have noticed, but the thread's topic (now after the split) is (in my view) different and separate from what you are talking about in this quote, rendering your response as offtopic (with respect to this specific thread), and if you want to talk about this other aspect, find a better suited place to do so, I guess. And I wouldn't find it unlikely that you haven't read up on the news much within this thread either, alongside Angerfist, so I suggest to please do that in this case, if you want to help the situation here with further posts rather than harm it.
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Don't want to be taking up so much space adding to posts, but might be worth mentioning and letting others know for what games 1) already some TAS work has been done (ordered in decreasing amount, relative to a game completion) by me and 2) I am (in decreasing order) planning/considering to TAS them. Those would majorly be SNES games (if not, it will be indicated in the list) I'm focusing on.
1) Spanky's Quest; On the Ball/Cameltry; Musya; Super R-Type; Plok; Sutte Hakkun; The Wizard of Oz; Battletoads Doubledragon; Super Ghouls'n Ghosts; Firepower 2000; Brain Lord; Warios Woods; Super Turrican; The Humans.
2) Secret Command (SEGA); Star Force (NES); Hyperzone; Aladdin; R-Type 3; Power Blade 2 (NES); Super Turrican 2; First Samurai.
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You're completely ignoring the fact that one of the users in question is regularly aggressive, abrasive, and toxic, and that this incident is such an inappropriate use of his position that it can't be considered in isolation.
And fmp, you may not have noticed, but the thread's topic (now after the split) is (in my view) different and separate from what you are talking about in this quote, rendering your response as offtopic (with respect to this specific thread), and if you want to talk about this other aspect, find a better suited place to do so, I guess. And I wouldn't find it unlikely that you haven't read up on the news much within this thread either, alongside Angerfist, so I suggest to please do that in this case, if you want to help the situation here with further posts rather than harm it.
I am talking about Spike’s admitted attempt to sabotage the viewership of the SMB TAS (whether successful or not). As such it is completely on topic. His general behavior is relevant to this thread because his gross toxicity in the SMB thread goes hand-in-hand with his motive to flood the TVC YouTube with reencodes. As I said previously: you cannot treat this as an isolated incident. Publishers already seem to be fine with their new rules on content density, but that doesn’t change the fact that this incident was an act of abuse. That this relates so strongly to the other thread is just evidence that there’s a serious problem.
In my opinion, an apology is not enough. He should be stripped from his duties.
Why are you using the singular when it is plural?
People are talking about this, not about this (which seems to be what you constantly go back to). I don't think anybody cares that the TVC lost a few subscribers at one point in the past. That's not the thing people are upset about.
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Warp wrote:
Nach wrote:
AngerFist wrote:
In my opinion, an apology is not enough. He should be stripped from his duties.
Why are you using the singular when it is plural?
People are talking about this, not about this (which seems to be what you constantly go back to).
Is it any wonder that we discuss re-encode flooding in a thread that's titled "Re-encode flooding"?
If people have issue with another subject, they should post in that topic instead, not here.
Warp wrote:
I don't think anybody cares that the TVC lost a few subscribers at one point in the past. That's not the thing people are upset about.
As staff this is a very relevant issue to us - and the root cause, extensively discussed in this topic, is relevant to many users as well. If you are not interested in this topic, then please don't post in this one.
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Is it any wonder that we discuss re-encode flooding in a thread that's titled "Re-encode flooding"?
If people have issue with another subject, they should post in that topic instead, not here.
Numerous people have expressed time and again their outrage about a particular event, and all you can respond with is about the thread's title (even though, as fmp above points out, the very first post of the thread talks about that particular event).
Why are all the staff members avoiding and deflecting the subject, rather than responding directly what people are complaining about? This kind of behavior is not making the staff look any better.
You're completely ignoring the fact that one of the users in question is regularly aggressive, abrasive, and toxic, and that this incident is such an inappropriate use of his position that it can't be considered in isolation.
And fmp, you may not have noticed, but the thread's topic (now after the split) is (in my view) different and separate from what you are talking about in this quote, rendering your response as offtopic (with respect to this specific thread), and if you want to talk about this other aspect, find a better suited place to do so, I guess. And I wouldn't find it unlikely that you haven't read up on the news much within this thread either, alongside Angerfist, so I suggest to please do that in this case, if you want to help the situation here with further posts rather than harm it.
I am talking about Spike’s admitted attempt to sabotage the viewership of the SMB TAS (whether successful or not). As such it is completely on topic. His general behavior is relevant to this thread because his gross toxicity in the SMB thread goes hand-in-hand with his motive to flood the TVC YouTube with reencodes. As I said previously: you cannot treat this as an isolated incident. Publishers already seem to be fine with their new rules on content density, but that doesn’t change the fact that this incident was an act of abuse. That this relates so strongly to the other thread is just evidence that there’s a serious problem.
Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. That general toxiticy you describe prompted me to start skipping most of his posts years ago. The staff might be doing something similar, because I just can't believe that continued behavior is tolerated. I am honestly dumbfounded. But yeah, it's much smarter to play the "offtopic" card and to hold onto sematics than to address the actual serious issue so many users seem to agree about. Thousands of toxic posts in a steady flow along the years have probably damaged the site way more than losing a bunch of random subscribers on YouTube. Sadly, it looks like you can be a complete dick on TASVideos and get away with it as long as you are productive and useful for the site.
Also, Nach, these haven't worked for you here so far. :P
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Sadly, it looks like you can be a complete dick on TASVideos and get away with it as long as you are productive and useful for the site.
That's not completely fair. I remember at least one case where inappropriate behavior by a (quite active) staff member resulted in reprimands and eventual stepping down.
I just don't understand the response by the staff in this situation, to people raising their concerns and complaints. Even if no action is done, at least respond to people appropriately and express why, rather than deflecting with something about the title of the thread.
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[quote Zeupar]Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. That general toxiticy you describe prompted me to start skipping most of his posts years ago. The staff might be doing something similar, because I just can't believe that continued behavior is tolerated. I am honestly dumbfounded. But yeah, it's much smarter to play the "offtopic" card and to hold onto sematics than to address the actual serious issue so many users seem to agree about.[/quote]
Let me respond to the section that I turned bold in this above quote with part 11. from here ( http://tasvideos.org/Nach/Arguing.html ):
* 11. Use an opinion or preference to imply other opinions and preferences.
** Example: Someone posts that If people have issue with another subject, they should post in that topic instead, not here or As for issues other than re-encode flooding by encoders and publishers, if you want to discuss them, please start a new thread. Respond with: yeah, it's much smarter to play the "offtopic" card and to hold onto sematics than to address the actual serious issue so many users seem to agree about. Gain bonus points by accusing the original poster of trying to sweep your argument under the carpet.
In other words: Not addressing the topic here doesn't imply it would also not be addressed in an own thread that just has the condition to be different from this one, which shouldn't constitute a big hurdle for TASVideos members to talk about it, provided that they actually care enough to do so, instead of possibly just feeling like caring barely enough to complain about it in another thread that seems ''well-fitting enough'' while in reality not feeling about it as a problem that they think is truely important to them.
On another note, I personally would not see nor agree on calling the amount of different TASVideos members' posts that complain about Spikestuff's behavior as ''so many users''. Neither in an absolute count sense (with their number being in the 10's, I'd estimate), nor in a relative count sense with respect to the total amount of about 8700 members ( http://tasvideos.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=username&order=ASC&start=8700 ) that TASVideos has (although I'd admit that it wouldn't be far fetched at all to justifiedly claim many of them are not active anymore and that some of them are merely alternative accounts), or even some sort of (how ever you would want to define it) reduced amount in which one only considers ''sufficiently active members''.
Can everyone reread what is literally the first paragraph of this thread
Regarding this, I believe the first post in this thread (although possibly not the edits in there) was made in the original thread before the thread splitting occured. But yes the post to me does seem to address the so-called ''flooding'' aswell as TVC youtube comments that appear to come over in a way that could properly be described as being harassing.
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Don't want to be taking up so much space adding to posts, but might be worth mentioning and letting others know for what games 1) already some TAS work has been done (ordered in decreasing amount, relative to a game completion) by me and 2) I am (in decreasing order) planning/considering to TAS them. Those would majorly be SNES games (if not, it will be indicated in the list) I'm focusing on.
1) Spanky's Quest; On the Ball/Cameltry; Musya; Super R-Type; Plok; Sutte Hakkun; The Wizard of Oz; Battletoads Doubledragon; Super Ghouls'n Ghosts; Firepower 2000; Brain Lord; Warios Woods; Super Turrican; The Humans.
2) Secret Command (SEGA); Star Force (NES); Hyperzone; Aladdin; R-Type 3; Power Blade 2 (NES); Super Turrican 2; First Samurai.
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if this conversation about spikestuff is off-topic then i'd love for the staff to address the concerns about punishment and whatnot in better depth in the appropriate thread this was split from instead of seemingly trying to shut down the discussion to avoid talking about it
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Warp wrote:
Even if no action is done, at least respond to people appropriately and express why, rather than deflecting with something about the title of the thread.
Hello, I am adelikat, and I am an admin. But I am not "the staff", or "the administration" as we are not one collective mind. When wanting a response from me, I would much appreciate to specifically ask me instead of vague terms like this.
I find this comment a bit vague but what I hear you saying is that you want someone to say specifically why Spikestuff (and only spikestuff) should not be stripped of his publisher role.
I thought I said my piece on this, but I will attempt to respond further. But note, I'm uncomfortable doing this. I don't like talking publicly about or for someone.
It is my opinion that he should not. His TVC incident lost a lot of respect with me and the community and it wasn't becoming of a staff member. And yes, he doesn't behave well in general. However, he hasn't done an incident like that since. Also, he apologized (and I know how difficult that is for him).
More importantly, Spikestuff cares about this community and publishing means a lot to him. He knows he on his "last strike" and his behavior has changed accordingly. I don't think "staffly behavior" comes naturally to him but he is making an honest effort to change that. He will because he cares not from fear of some "punishment".
Also another way to look at "if you do a lot of work for the site you get away with stuff" is to say "This community means a lot to someone, and it drives them to do an insane amount of work FOR the site and people". Encoding and publishing is hard, takes a lot of technical expertise and isn't glamorous. It means a lot to me how much our publishers, especially Spikestuff do this for the community year after year.
Also another way to look at "if you do a lot of work for the site you get away with stuff" is to say "This community means a lot to someone, and it drives them to do an insane amount of work FOR the site and people". Encoding and publishing is hard, takes a lot of technical expertise and isn't glamorous. It means a lot to me how much our publishers, especially Spikestuff do this for the community year after year.
That reminds me of this: https://blog.vanillaforums.com/product/dealing-with-toxic-community-member
"The Jeremy Clarkson Effect is when a toxic presence in a community has value too high for them to be easily removed."
Personally, I think Spikestuff does a lot more harm than good. It certainly has made me lost most of the interest I had in PSX TASing, reading these forums or joining the Discord server (servers, actually, as I had also joined the Japanese TASers server, but I couldn't stomach to read him there too).
I'm sure a lot of (probably even better) people would come out of hiding and help with encoding and publishing if you remove such a negative person from that role...
For example, I was an even more toxic person than him when I was working on some emulators. When I stopped working on them, more and better programmers came and no one missed me (in fact, anyone who knew me probably was happy that I had stopped posting.)
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
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[quote mz]"The Jeremy Clarkson Effect is when a toxic presence in a community has value too high for them to be easily removed."[/quote]
Okay, first of all, ''toxic'' is just a metaphor or analogy at best that can create a certain image of a situation in people's minds, and depending on what word in particular is used as description, the readers might be lead to think of the severity of something as being more intense or weakened ( https://news.umich.edu/word-choice-hidden-meanings-can-influence-our-judgment/ ). There is no poisonous substance in text or in human behavior on the internet as far as i know. And instead one could also have used other terms such as ''unfitting'', ''harming'', ''annoying'', ''stressing'', ''negative'', ''bad'', ''evil'', ''poor'', ''foul'', ''uncivilized'',''unfair'',... as examples, and maybe by just reading those examples one experiences a different feeling every time on what the severity might be like. But the point here is that all these have a hard time to precisely determine the quantitative aspect but just show/indicate in what direction (here in 1 dimension just either negative or positive, going away from a neutral state 0) one will (likely) find a true weight or value of something (a behavior of a person, for example) for which likely a thorough investigation and evaluation might be needed if one wanted to do so (which would correspond to some workload to be done and the question on if it'd be really worth it going through such, or if one estimates that it could be sufficient to rely on intuition and more coarse feedback that is given). But yes, so far there have been quite a few claims in this thread on Spikestuff not having behaved well, without providing supporting examples/material for their claims, and I guess either it will stay this way and it comes down to by how much the members with those claims can be trusted in their reportage/individual evaluation and how these evaluations are received, or material is provided (just not in this particular thread, mind you), and then those things (or the density and individual severity of these) can be seen in a corresponding time-frame as context.
Second of all, the conclusion that this person got to in this ''Jeremy Clarkson Effect'' post is ''This is precisely the right thing to do'' (when they decided to take this person down). However, in the entire post (after an initial definition of the effect) there are just many possible points, aspects and questions mentioned that can be related to the decision, yes, but the crucial part, namely how the person that made this post got to this conclusion, what means of reasoning or model, data, and assumptions were used (since certainly in general, the decision will not be independent of some kind of accumulated severity and its evaluation) is missing, so while this article can help getting further insight, it is in my eyes a rather lacking source of information as reference that just jumps to conclusions by claiming that it is the right thing to decide in this way for any similar cases across-the-board without even having to examine individual situations.
[quote mz]Personally, I think Spikestuff does a lot more harm than good.[/quote]
Okay, you may think so, but don't be surprised if your view doesn't match reality in this instance, since publishing work happens a lot behind the scenes, which is what I get from adelikat's post:
Encoding and publishing is hard, takes a lot of technical expertise and isn't glamorous.
Meaning that there's reason enough to question the amount by which you might be up to date on what and how much work Spikestuff has to do for publishing purposes, which as consequence can make 1 side of the ''equation'' feel/seem for usual forum members more lacking than it actually might be, while certain staff members likely have deeper insight in this regard. So this could be part of the source for a discrepancy between some forumers' views on the situation and how staff sees it.
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Don't want to be taking up so much space adding to posts, but might be worth mentioning and letting others know for what games 1) already some TAS work has been done (ordered in decreasing amount, relative to a game completion) by me and 2) I am (in decreasing order) planning/considering to TAS them. Those would majorly be SNES games (if not, it will be indicated in the list) I'm focusing on.
1) Spanky's Quest; On the Ball/Cameltry; Musya; Super R-Type; Plok; Sutte Hakkun; The Wizard of Oz; Battletoads Doubledragon; Super Ghouls'n Ghosts; Firepower 2000; Brain Lord; Warios Woods; Super Turrican; The Humans.
2) Secret Command (SEGA); Star Force (NES); Hyperzone; Aladdin; R-Type 3; Power Blade 2 (NES); Super Turrican 2; First Samurai.
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@Aran Jaeger: Damn, your posts are kind of unreadable. I'm sorry if I sound rude, I'm just trying to help. You should read a book called The Sense of Style, at least the first chapter which treats your problem directly.
I'll try to answer what I think the main points of your posts were:
1. Just forget I ever even wrote the word "toxic". The article explains everything in detail (and what we meant by "toxic"), so I'd say anyone managing a community with a valuable but "unfitting" member should read it completely, not just my silly post.
(In any case, thanks for telling me what words I should use and how should I feel. You would make a great censor.)
2. You're saying there's a lack of evidence about Spikestuff doing harm, in a thread discussing his abuse of power just to humiliate another member of the community.
In case that's still not too clear for you, here's another example from my only interaction with him: everyone was happily talking about the 2018 FIFA World Cup in a thread named "2018 FIFA World Cup". He came out of nowhere just to say "Don't watch a shit sport" and similar stuff in several posts: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=472417#472417
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
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[quote mz]@Aran Jaeger: Damn, your posts are kind of unreadable. I'm sorry if I sound rude, I'm just trying to help. You should read a book called The Sense of Style, at least the first chapter which treats your problem directly.[/quote]
Thank you, but I don't see a problem on my part here, considering this isn't my first long or dense post on this forum or other forums and feedback from others in the past not having indicated problems in this direction. Usually it was just that it was a lot to read which is alright in itself, but this isn't so relevant within the context of this thread anyway.
[quote mz]so I'd say anyone managing a community with a valuable but "unfitting" member should read it completely, not just my silly post. [/quote]
By ''post'' in my previous post above, I was refering to what this page ( https://blog.vanillaforums.com/product/dealing-with-toxic-community-member ) refers to as ''post'' (or as ''having been posted'') aswell, ''Posted by Patrick Groome on Jun 4, 2015 9:40:21 AM'', which is what you are refering to as ''article'' and is what I read in its entirety, yes.
[quote mz](In any case, thanks for telling me what words I should use and how should I feel. You would make a great censor.) [/quote]
My purpose of mentioning this potential that the choice words (can) have in view of influencing judgement was to help and bring this fact more into the foreground, to rise the awareness of it being ''a thing'', so that it could also allow others to maybe be more careful and considerative in their own choice of words, as to avoid members unconsciously applying censor to (or deviations from) what they themselves originally intended to say.
[quote mz]
2. You're saying there's a lack of evidence about Spikestuff doing harm, in a thread discussing his abuse of power just to humiliate another member of the community. [/quote]
To respond to this in short: I did not say this and I don't see where one would either see some of my messages as indicating this or which of my messages would reasonably be interpretable as having this meaning. And as second thought, I would in general suggest reading over compactified information (in form of text) slower or multiple times to possibly increase the capability of comprehending sentences that (e.g.) I wrote, in order to avoid misunderstandings like this one (as it to me appears to be one). In particular I was talking (in my post above) about reportage from other members that indicated other cases (than precisely this 1 case) of misbehavior existing on Spikestuff's side. But I can give you the benefit-of-the-doubt on this part because I could have been more clear that I was not refering to further supporting material on the subject of ''flooding'', but any other cases besides this. However, you might have anyway understood this afterall (rendering my clarification to some extent unnecessary), considering the soccer thread reference.
[quote mz]In case that's still not too clear for you, here's another example from my only interaction with him: everyone was happily talking about the 2018 FIFA World Cup in a thread named "2018 FIFA World Cup". He came out of nowhere just to say "Don't watch a shit sport" and similar stuff in several posts: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=472417#472417[/quote]
Yes, Spikestuff has already informed me about this incident shortly after your first post in this thread appeared and linked me to the discussion aswell. I read through parts of it and got the impression that he was majorly trying to calm you down while he stayed calm and you got heated up.
[quote Spikestuff]It's just a sport where you watch players go and do sport stuff.
It's not the end of the world.
[/quote]
[quote Spikestuff]Take a breather. Read who I was writing to. Read into the fact that the person is ranting. Read into the fact that I mentioned watch the women's soccer if you're going to be shitting up a storm cause they hate.
You got that down now? Good.[/quote]
As an aside, it is just natural and to be expected that different folks likes and dislikes (to various degrees) different sports personally, which can have various reasons, and I'm not sure to what extent the expression (in form of a post) of a personal view regarding some sport should be seen as a personal ''attack'' of some kind. And with the sport in that incident having been soccer of all things, it should be more expected than not (from a probabilistic standpoint), that a controversy first of all would exist in people's minds on different aspects of the sport, aswell as those controversies actually coming up, just given enough messages appearing in the thread in which members talk about the sport, I think.
At this point though I would like to remind that this thread (that is ''being flooded by something else'' in itself) is about flooding and that it likely should be avoided to delve into something different much further in here.
collect, analyse, categorise.
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Don't want to be taking up so much space adding to posts, but might be worth mentioning and letting others know for what games 1) already some TAS work has been done (ordered in decreasing amount, relative to a game completion) by me and 2) I am (in decreasing order) planning/considering to TAS them. Those would majorly be SNES games (if not, it will be indicated in the list) I'm focusing on.
1) Spanky's Quest; On the Ball/Cameltry; Musya; Super R-Type; Plok; Sutte Hakkun; The Wizard of Oz; Battletoads Doubledragon; Super Ghouls'n Ghosts; Firepower 2000; Brain Lord; Warios Woods; Super Turrican; The Humans.
2) Secret Command (SEGA); Star Force (NES); Hyperzone; Aladdin; R-Type 3; Power Blade 2 (NES); Super Turrican 2; First Samurai.
(last updated: 18.03.2018)
feedback from others in the past not having indicated problems in this direction.
People are usually nicer than me. Your problem isn't just that the posts are long, it's that you don't say things very clearly.
Take this paragraph for example:
Aran Jaeger wrote:
To respond to this in short: I did not say this and I don't see where one would either see some of my messages as indicating this or which of my messages would reasonably be interpretable as having this meaning. And as second thought, I would in general suggest reading over compactified information (in form of text) slower or multiple times to possibly increase the capability of comprehending sentences that (e.g.) I wrote, in order to avoid misunderstandings like this one (as it to me appears to be one).
Maybe you could've just said: "That's not what I meant, you should read more carefully."
About the rest of your post, it doesn't make any sense at all. It's just a longer version of Nach's "Why are you using the singular when it is plural?"
(By the way, making a post with so many quotes in it, just to dissect every little thing the other person said, makes it even harder to read.)
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
You're right, my mistake. I honestly wanted to be helpful, but this is not the place or time. I should have sent him a PM instead.
Back on topic, if I had been the victim of something like what happened here, the least I'd expect from the administrators is to remove these people from the staff. The reasonable thing I'd expect is to have them banned and then receive a formal apology from the remaining staff.
Instead, what the victims got from this is an admin (Nach) downplaying what happened, trying to quell down the discussion, and disrespecting other members who were mad at what had happened and how it has been handled.
I wouldn't like to imagine what a victim feels every time he has to see his bullies still around and even in the same position as before...
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
