Yet another warp run for SMB2u. The strategy for the entire run is pretty much the same as Phil. I took different paths just so everyone could actually see that I was doing something different. This movie was VERY hard to make. Phil did an excellent job manipulating the game to do what he wanted. I went through and found frames I didn't think where there. I spent a very long time on this run. I hope that if I am beaten, that it's not by the number of frames I was able to find, hehe. Anyway, here's the rundown:
1-1: -0[0.000s] - unless someone can beat it faster then 2 or 3 frames, birdo will shoot the egg at teh same time within a few frames.
1-2: -6[0.100s] - I found some very mysterious frames, 4 came from teh carpet ride. I tried for a VERY long time to get this one...the other two were mysteriously from birdo.
1-3: -0[0.000s] - Nothing new here.
4-1: -0[0.000s] - Nothing new here.
4-2: -0[0.000s] - Nothing new here.
6-1: -5[0.083s] - Most of these frames were from the sand digging area. How I managed to squeeze out these guys...I thought that sand area was perfect when I first started.
6-2: -0[0.000s] - Nothing new here.
6-3: -0[0.000s] - Nothing new here.
7-1: -5[0.083s] - I saved a few frames on the ladder glitching part.
7-2: -3[0.050s] - I managed to gain one pixel, and when going for the birdo with the key, I manage to start my forward momentum 2 frames faster. I also saved two frames on the last bird head thing, but when I finished wart I was knocked down a frame.
All in all I saved 19 frames, or 0.317s. This time save was also just enough to make the submission time round down instead of rounding up like Phils'. (previous run is 07:54 and the new one is 07:53)
NesVideoAgent: Hi! I am a robot. I took a few screenshots
of this movie and placed them here.
Here goes!
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Vatchern wrote:
schneelocke wrote:
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And even if Phil's or Sleepz' run was somehow more entertaining... Donamer's is still faster.
Ok folks. from now on. Take all the entertainment out of movies and just go for speed. Make all the movies 1 frame faster. they should be accepted right schneelocke? "its faster!"
Was this less entertaining than Phil's run? If no, then I should ask: was this faster than Phils run? That's a yes. A faster movie without decreasing entertainment value and you don't want to publish it?
>Because none of our judges have a similar craving for Sega videos as they have for NES videos...
I do. Genesis is probably my favourite system out of those available here. But primarily I try to work trough the big backlog of submissions we have.
>Time for more judges. :P
Currently there are a few runs which have been sitting on Accepted status for a while without anyone encoding them. Perhaps we should get more encoders first.
Currently there are a few runs which have been sitting on Accepted status for a while without anyone encoding them. Perhaps we should get more encoders first.
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Truncated wrote:
Currently there are a few runs which have been sitting on Accepted status for a while without anyone encoding them. Perhaps we should get more encoders first.
After I finish tuning my Linux up I can do some encoding, my PC has lots of idle time that encoding could use ;)
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Truncated wrote:
Currently there are a few runs which have been sitting on Accepted status for a while without anyone encoding them. Perhaps we should get more encoders first.
Some encoders like me for example also don't have a large upload capacity, so prefer to stick to encoding runs that will produce tiny AVIs.
I also need to go setup NES and SNES encoding I wouldn't mind encoding the 10 minute videos.
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I think we should add Anonymous to the list of initial contributors for this run's description, along with Sleepz and Genisto. Anonymous did find the most time-saving trick for this game, the up+down ladder zoom.
Asking to be an editor will probably come around and bite me in the ass someday with ideas like this.
<Swordless> Go hug a tree, you vegetarian (I bet you really are one)
I think that anonymous once had a name (because these boards don't allow anonymous posting), but that it was removed when his account expired. Or something along those lines. Perhaps it is possible to somehow retrieve the name of this benefactor with the wonders of modern technology?
When I purge inactive users or remove them after banning for abuse or something, I try to preserve their names in the posts. (Normally, there is only an ID link, and if the ID is deleted, there is nothing remaining identifying the original poster.) However, it seems to have happened quite often that the identify has been lost anyway.
I pretty much agree with everything else you said otherwise (although I think that not only the old record holders have a "right" to try and beat the new movie; everyone does), but the idea that gameplay strategy could be considered "intellectual property" [1] is just "out there", if I may say so. :)
1. Itself a meaningless term - there exist copyright, trademarks, patents, and similar things, but to lump them all together as "intellectual property" not only blurs the lines between several very distinct concepts but also fails to recognise that *none* of these even *are* property in the same sense that physical objects can be. Patents and copyrights are time-limited monopolies granted by the state as part of a deal (i.e., in order to encourage the creation of creative works and technologies; and copyrights also only apply to specific creative expressions, not ideas), and trademarks, while not inherently time-limited, have to be actively used and defended in order to remain trademarks.
Given that, I'm not sure what kind of "intellectual property" a strategy for a game should be at all - none of the above can be applied to game strategies in any meaningful way. Of course, acknowledging the giants on whose shoulders you're standing should go without saying really, but the idea that there is a strict legal requirement to do so... that's quite bizarre. :)
I enjoyed your comments on intellectual property (though I know you don't want to call it that, I think it is a fitting generalized term because it is generally accepted by those who know the nuances of the limited monopolies the term implies). In any case, I see strategies as a trade secret until they are revealed. The only way a strategy can be owned is by keeping it a secret, otherwise it is like a patent with no vesting period -- immediately known and with unlimited usage.
btw, I'm surprised such a small improvement (a large part of which was using up+down) meant this run should have a star while the previous run should not. Did this run just show how good Phil's really was? Because, to the new user (who "recommended" runs appear to be for) they would probably be no more impressed with this run than Phil's...
TAS's are more like open source software than conventional speedruns, and when you improve an open-source program you don't take all the previous contributors off of the credits.
It looks to me (a random lurker) that this run was a collaborative effort by SleepZ, Phil and DonamerDragon, etc.
I enjoyed your comments on intellectual property (though I know you don't want to call it that, I think it is a fitting generalized term because it is generally accepted by those who know the nuances of the limited monopolies the term implies). In any case, I see strategies as a trade secret until they are revealed. The only way a strategy can be owned is by keeping it a secret, otherwise it is like a patent with no vesting period -- immediately known and with unlimited usage.
Thanks. :) I'm pretty sure it cannot qualify as a trade secret, either. According to Wikipedia, while the precise definition of what constitutes a trade secret varies with jurisdiction, there are certain common factors, namely (quoting):
1. is not generally known to the relevant portion of the public;
2. confers some sort of economic benefit on its holder (where this benefit must derive specifically from its not being generally known, not just from the value of the information itself);
3. is the subject of reasonable efforts to maintain its secrecy.
1. may or may not apply here; 2. most certainly does not, and 3. also doesn't, I think, at least as long as the person finding a new strategy doesn't keep it secret (which would pretty much defeat the purpose of looking for new strategies - namely, to be able to record new, faster movies).
But IANAL (not at all!), so I should probably shut my big yap before I say something stupid. ^_~
I'm surprised such a small improvement (a large part of which was using up+down) meant this run should have a star while the previous run should not. Did this run just show how good Phil's really was? Because, to the new user (who "recommended" runs appear to be for) they would probably be no more impressed with this run than Phil's...
I'm surprised such a small improvement (a large part of which was using up+down) meant this run should have a star while the previous run should not. Did this run just show how good Phil's really was? Because, to the new user (who "recommended" runs appear to be for) they would probably be no more impressed with this run than Phil's...
Phil's run did have a star.
Well then, that makes sense -- not sure how I missed that >_>
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Nice job dragon, but I still think Sleepz run is still the most entertaining.
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