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Does it have a clear sort of ending?
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Nice work!
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Moderator's note: split seizure warning derail to Seizure Warnings
Please stay on topic.
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Mitjitsu wrote:
I'm sure most of us have been stopped and questioned by the police at some point. When we haven't done anything wrong. In that situation I believe the onus is on you to know how to deal them. That way you get it over and done with quickly and don't get fined or arrested. If you don't, then either you don't have much sense; don't listen to anyone; your parents or school haven't taught you or worse your peers or other people have given you terrible advice which either leads to some altercation or getting arrested. Some of it I attribute to those ghetto Al Sharpton's online running their mouths off about how cops are gangsters; members of the KKK and are death squads for black people. If a black person chooses to believe that they're going to start acting up or evading them. Which could escalate to them getting killed.
Breonna Taylor was literally killed in her sleep, how are you supposed to act "differently" if you're not even conscious? And there are tons of times when people act appropriately, yet still get shot by the police.
The main issue caused here is women who're not trans, but cross dressers hiding in bathrooms so they can sexually assault other women. Fundamentally I don't like the idea of governments getting involved here dictating what's what. I went to a newly opened restaurant recently and noticed they had a half dozen individual cubical's. Makes me wonder if that debate had an influence here.
I have yet to see any evidence of this actually happening, the people that typically perform assaults in bathrooms don't care about any sorts of laws. They don't come up with fake gender identities in order to assault women. They simply try to force women one way or another, there's no need for them to hide behind an identity.
Patashu wrote:
* The source of 'mental health issues' that plague trans people is, for the most part, caused by bigotry against transgender people and obstacles in their way against transitioning. Transitioning and being accepted as your new gender identity IS what lowers the suicide rate of transgender people. It's not some weird, inexplicable mental issue about transness that makes them want to commit suicide, it's society's judgement that causes the problem.
This to me amounts to "it's your fault they feel that way". Much of the time it was likely a bad and unnecessary decision to go trans that may lead to them feeling depressed or suicidal. Seeking good and confidential advice or counselling may have been a better decision.
Transition regret is extremely uncommon. As a trans person, my only real complaints are with how society treats people like me and with how annoying the process is. Ultimately a more fluid view of gender altogether would eliminate most regrets.
EDIT: Given how much gatekeeping is involved in the process of transitioning, typically only the most sure actually go through with it to begin with.
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Blazephlozard wrote:
Wobmiar wrote:
Neat, we are talking about trans? All I wanted to say is showing gender on a forum is not politics, but ok :P This off topic is hot
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You don't have to worry too much, there are measures in place to help trans people to deal with what they have to deal with. Per example:
- You don't have the right to change your gender before you are an adult (18 years old here). Helps to not make mistakes. If you feel you are not in the good body, you can take hormonal blockers when you are younger, making it not permanent in case you change your idea
I really don't know about so casually approving of puberty blockers. To tamper with the natural maturing of one's body just doesn't seem right. And I just cannot see how you could know that change is right for you before you even know about sex. Saying "you have to be 18" followed by saying a major body change you can do before being 18, kinda defeats the point of wanting these decisions to be made at a certain level of maturity.
I feel like I can be swayed into approving of them, because I do know there's good scientific studies out there, proving it's all reversible, but there is still a strong moral objection there that many many people rightfully will have no matter what. Pushing something like puberty blocking into the mix of trans rights just pulls away from all the trans rights that are direly needed, like it being legal to kill someone over their bits.
Puberty blocking simply delays puberty, it doesn't prevent it forever. If one later on decides they want to go through their natural puberty, they can. Puberty is the thing that is actually permanent and irreversible, not puberty blockers.
And yeah this is fairly offtopic but I felt the need to clarify some things. This should be moved.
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Wobmiar wrote:
Neat, we are talking about trans? All I wanted to say is showing gender on a forum is not politics, but ok :P This off topic is hot
@Blazephlozard
You don't have to worry too much, there are measures in place to help trans people to deal with what they have to deal with. Per example:
- You don't have the right to change your gender before you are an adult (18 years old here). Helps to not make mistakes. If you feel you are not in the good body, you can take hormonal blockers when you are younger, making it not permanent in case you change your idea
- You can't do any legal medical procedures about gender change unless you communicate with a psychologist first. They are professionnals who can help you distinguish the difference between tomboy and trans per example. If you feel you are a real trans and not just someone striving for attention, you should ALWAYS go see a psychologist. They are the experts
- Sex related surgery takes a lot of preparation, you need like 1 year of intense therapy before, there are specialists helping you understand all the risks and can even say "no" if they feel you are not ready/you will regret it. Fun part is: it's free if you pass all the "tests"
Obviously, there is still some cracks in the system, and not everyone is happy, but these procedures are for me super important. These are long and rough procedures by real experts to distinguish the difference between "real" trans people and "false positives". As I always say for EVERYTHING, you can almost never self diagnose yourself. It's simply dangerous
I hope it makes you feel better about the trans "fashion". With rigourous measures, there's almost no way someone makes a mistake. Being trans will never be a mode, it's a serious psychological effect (gender dysphoria) that only a REALLY SMALL MINORITY of people have
Also most trans people will never say they are trans unless it's applicable with the situation. No trans wants to be trans :P
This post is 90% head on. I don't mind being trans as I feel it gives me an interesting sort of perspective on life. That being said, do not debate my gender and do not debate the gender of anyone else on the site, regardless of whether or not it is binary. At worst, claiming a gender other than what is displayed on your original birth certificate is harmless to others as long and policing would simply lead to witch hunts.
Also Nach, I think the term for what you were describing on the previous page was "Intersex".
EDIT: Made a sentence more clear
EDIT 2: Also I saw a mention yesterday about "passing". I'd like to note that many cis-gender people do not "pass" as their initial gender, and I don't think it's so much biologically hardwired into our systems. I'm pretty sure that is largely a cultural thing. Many things one looks for in "passing" are rather arbitrary and not even necessarily present in nature.
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Illicit imagery, advertising, etc are more directly banned by site rules. Now if you are proposing a more direct rule, that can be addressed separately, but currently this submission doesn't break any rules.
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I felt I had to say something about this, not as a staff, but as a person and may not be reflective of staff as a whole. I am not black, but I am trans, a similarly persecuted group. Often times things that would be considered no brainers for rights are treated as a political issue for my people, and the same is true of black people. Just recently it was attempted to be made acceptable for healthcare workers to deny service to people on the basis of transgender status. Black people are often unfairly treated as well in today's society, with a focus on police brutality in recent news. As such I have empathy for them. It is true that human rights as a whole are a political issue, but I don't think that really gives one the privilege to simply ignore them and those that are in suffering. I can definitely understand one wanting a break from constantly hearing about it if one needs to recharge their batteries, but I still think at the end of the day, it's worth fighting for.
Black lives matter, and I do not see why users would need to be shielded from this fact.
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Arc wrote:
"It is very important that you describe your movie in the following ways."
"A “submission” is a candidate for a movie that will be published on this site."
A political statement is not a description of the movie or the process involved in making the movie. It has no relation to the movie. There is an Off Topic forum for political statements.
That's not remotely a clear "no political statements in submissions" rule. I'm fairly sure several april fools submissions also do not stay entirely on topic.
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I wouldn't be surprised if people have in the past filled submission texts with random humorous nonsense, talking about current events isn't much different.
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Not wanting to engage further doesn't make somebody a cowardly debater, especially given that TASVideos is in general not a debate platform. Please refrain from such base attacks.
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Columbus didn't really discover America given there were a bunch of people already living on it...
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Umihara is probably improvable, I want to say there's some ILs that have been beaten but I forget which of these apply to fastest completion.
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I gave you the ability to edit the submission.
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bahamete wrote:
In the interest of full discretion there is one point I want to make. Is it perfectly optimized? Absolutely not. There's a lot of opportunity here for micro-improvements to luck and movement. But that isn't the point of Tomb Raider speedrunning in my opinion. It's much more about using creative strategies and very tough glitches to beat the levels in as entertaining a way as possible, and that's certainly achieved here. I know these games like the back of my hand and I was still surprised many times watching this. Micro-optimizing everything to please a few Tomb Raider nerds shouldn't be the point of TASing at all, and if that was done this project likely would have never been finished.
I personally believe in a philosophy of allowing more slack in regards to optimization of games that are significantly complex. As game complexity goes up, difficulty of optimization also goes up and so does how long it would take. Obviously, one should always be trying to improve in optimization but to require perfection would be absolute madness. Additionally an obvious mistake such as an unintentional death would stick out as much in a tomb raider as it does in Mario 1.
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With clock stop, score can be obtained indefinitely iirc.
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More points can be obtained. With Clock Stop it's infinite.
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If you use the avi/wav dumping system built into bizhawk, emulation speed is irrelevant aside from just waiting for it to complete.
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The issue with this glitch is that it significantly decreases the amount of gameplay covered by the ingame timer and forces much more of the run to be optimized by real time. A timing method should cover basically all relevant gameplay. If a significant amount of gameplay is not covered by an ingame timer, said ingame timer generally doesn't make sense as a primary speedrun timing metric. Yes you're optimizing it, but it no longer truly represents time. If you have to time significant portions of gameplay by real time anyways, you might as well just aim for pure real time. However, given that real time isn't preferred in this game either due to things like Honda 2, avoiding the glitch seems to be the smartest idea and the votes reflect this.
Any additional thoughts?
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Not quite as long, but Knight 4 still took a while:
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That was just an example of a decision that I felt was incongruent with how the rule is attempting to be enforced. Ultimately, I feel that the rule and the spirit of the rule are being applied too strictly. To me a change in the fundamental mechanics of shooting, a critical function performed throughout the TASes, identifies it as an entirely separate game. Sure it might LOOK similar as an end result, but the same concept also applies to sequels and the like. If one takes this to its extreme, one could consider Super Mario Bros. the Lost Levels another version of Super Mario Bros. with different levels and some new mechanics. Obviously this is ridiculous to propose, but it's essentially what we're proposing here. I know that different levels are directly considered valid unique content by the rules and this game has various opponents with different stats and obviously they can't all count as unique levels. However, not all games can really fit into that sort of structure. I don't see how a fundamental difference in mechanics doesn't count as a significant difference. I don't see what we gain by limiting it to one or the other.
EDIT: In a private conversation, somebody brought up Pokemon games and how we handle them and I would like to express my thoughts on them.
Pokemon games quite literally have "Version" in the title. It's even on the boxart.
For Fastest Completion, the strategies for Red/Blue and Yellow are the same. You use save corruption to be able to manipulate memory to trigger the end of the game from the first room. I do not know if this is possible in Japanese Red/Green but it is assumed to be, therefore the Green publication was obsoleted by the save glitch run as it did not have good enough ratings for moons. If the save glitch does not work on that version, we might want to consider revisiting. Otherwise, there is no point in having different runs of this branch for each version.
For glitchless Pokemon, we accepted both Blue and Yellow, as the significant differences between versions of Pokemon were on full display.
In the case of Yellow game end glitch and Blue warp glitch. Some differences were on display, but I felt it wasn't enough for a Moons only branch as not only is entertainment important, but unique entertainment also important. I fully admit that this was a borderline case. If the save glitch branch didn't exist and these runs were able to be considered fastest completion, I might have made a different decision as the runs would take on a new significance.
With gen I pokemon, there weren't really significant enough differences between mechanics in the branches that were able to obsolete cross version as opposed to the ones where we have multiple versions.
With the 1 on 1 games there are multiple differences to fundamental mechanics of the game. How you obtain the ball to begin with. How you shoot. I personally interpret these as significant.
Obviously if you just describe these movies vaguely, you just shoot at the basket as quick as possible. But in the same vein you can describe most platformers as just "heading right as quick as possible". So I don't think such an analysis really holds up.
EDIT 2: this post in particular I find to be far too vague:
feos wrote:
Having tried test-tasing both games, I don't think either is trivial, and both require the same approach: keep adjusting simple actions in time in order to align them for perfect overall manipulation, while randomness is constantly fighting back, swallowing your improvements. The number of available actions is low, but here it's higher per level than in the other version, so it's just A LOT of simple adjustments. Very dumb and tedious, but there is some TAS challenge to it.
Like "keep adjusting simple actions in time in order to align them for perfect overall manipulation" could just as easily be describing an RPG let alone these two specific sports games. The "What is being manipulated" and the "how you can manipulate them" are key to this whole thing.
EDIT 3: So I asked for further details about the shooting mechanics.
So here is a a sample set of shooting inputs in 1 on 1 provided to me by feos:
Basically in order to shoot, first you hold the button and then release in time with the gauge to determine your power. Then you simply press the button a second time in regards to a second gauge for Ctrl/Accuracy.
Now for a sample set of inputs for 1 on 1 Plus:
You only need to hold and release the button once but the timing is in regards to both gauges moving simultaneously.
This to me is significantly different gameplay mechanics. Timing two meters separately versus timing two at the same time strikes me as EXTREMELY different.
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Thank you for the clarification.
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So I talked with a friend who is rather familiar with the series and I found out that there are a significant number of monsters that can be considered references to previous Phantasy Star games. For example the Centaur of Phantasy Star IV could be considered a reference to the "Horseman" of Phantasy Star 1. I'm fairly certain you didn't fight these monsters since you barely faced any enemies in general. Was this an intentional exclusion?
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feos wrote:
Doesn't sync for me on 1.11.8, 1.11.8.1, 1.11.8.2, 1.12.0, 1.13.2, with 640x480, glide64mk2, 100% speed.
Synced for me just fine.
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Basically in order to shoot, first you hold the button and then release in time with the gauge to determine your power. Then you simply press the button a second time in regards to a second gauge for Ctrl/Accuracy.
Now for a sample set of inputs for 1 on 1 Plus:
You only need to hold and release the button once but the timing is in regards to both gauges moving simultaneously.
This to me is significantly different gameplay mechanics. Timing two meters separately versus timing two at the same time strikes me as EXTREMELY different.
