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Here's a little game that has been developed specifically for speedrunning and TASing competition.
More information, download links, and record tables (both unassisted and TAS) about the game can be found on this page: Wiki: GameResources/NES/NESPack
Featuring a little guy with a jetpack, with the objective to collect items and race for the finish.
Anyone interested to give TASing or running the game a try?
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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They "happened to get published" because 100% upgrades with no Zero parts was formerly any%, and the other run was its polar opposite and made a nice change of pace (and also showed off an easter egg in the ending).
Nowadays, however, they are somewhat less important in the grand scheme of things, as 100% upgrades is not the fastest run anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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xnamkcor wrote:
mklip2001 wrote:
xnamkcor: I believe that's the plan. I think some post here said that when such a run is completed, it will probably obsolete both this run and the no-upgrades run.
Why would a 100% run obsolete an low% or any% run?
They are neither low% nor any%, strictly speaking. The no-upgrades run still collects the Zero parts.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
One line before the one you quoted:
MrWint wrote:
you don't have the PP to OHKO your way through like the first time
Must’ve disregarded that as not making sense because if you can do it once why not twice?
Because he ran out of PP restoring items after the first time. The Elite Four run depends a lot on Dragonair using Horn Drill, which only has 5 PP, so it has to be restored after almost every fight. PP-restoring items are pretty limited, as they cannot be bought.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I've made a set of tables describing every obtained Pokémon in the game that are relevant to the two games' final Pokédexes - including when each Pokémon is obtained, how, where, and in what order for each game.
Chronological list, divided per gameChronological list, not divided per gameList sorted by Pokédex order, divided per game
The tables are 300 entries long, confirming that yes, both games get the full 150-mon Pokédex. (Not that this really needed confirming, considering the submission encode keeps track of Pokédex counts and the run collects the Diploma in both games, but still)
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Ah that totally didn’t sound like it happened from the previous posts.
One line before the one you quoted:
MrWint wrote:
you don't have the PP to OHKO your way through like the first time
ALAKTORN wrote:
Why do you even need to beat the Elite 4… does that unlock the Mewtwo dungeon?.
Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Also, the run does beat the Elite Four and Champion. MrWint is saying that it's not worthwhile to do it another time.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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ALAKTORN wrote:
My god I spent too much time writing this I’m not even gonna check if I said something wrong or not.
It started right in the first sentence.
ALAKTORN wrote:
This game is for DS right?
"Topic: Game Boy Advance Games -> Pokemon FireRed & LeafGreen"
Honestly, you'd probably have saved yourself a lot of "too much time" if you spent just a few seconds reading what subforum you're posting in. Everything you wrote pertains to DS Action Replay button-activated codes, not GBA GameShark or Action Replay codes, which work a little differently.
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Plush wrote:
I still haven't watched it yet, but I'm curious of how you get Bulbasaur. I guess reset game file but idk
The Red run goes up to Celadon to get an Eevee, then trades over Charmander and the Eevee, and resets to get Bulbasaur and another Eevee (to get all three Eeveelutions).
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Whatever you do, please do not create any Game Resources page without any meaningful content (that includes pages with just "todo"s). They do nothing but falsely give the impression on the main Game Resources page that we have information about a particular game or series when we actually do not. This is why I deleted that list of pages yesterday.
Only create a Game Resources page when you have meaningful information to put in it.
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Alyosha wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
If you still have criticism towards something the guidelines say, then please clarify again in a way that's unambiguously about the guidelines and not a judge's personal, unenforced opinion.
Well for me one outstanding issue is what precedent, if any, accepting a run on one difficulty has on possible future runs on another difficulty.
Let's take Return of the Jedi as an example but there are other recent ones as well (Oregon Trail comes to mind.) My question is, if a run of these games is made on 'hardest difficulty' and are deemed to be highly/sufficiently entertaining, what would happen to them? Surely Jedi mode in RotJ would be much longer then easy, so if it's accepted it seems it's branch would need a separate branch 'Jedi (hardest) difficulty' even though we don't currently treat difficulty formally as a branch. What's more, the two movies would be 'entertaining' for more or less their own reasons, yet would still be beating the game 'as fast as possible' in their own ways.
So, can difficulty setting ever be considered a 'branch' in this way? Should it formally be a branch?
It depends on how much difference there is between the difficulties. I can't myself really think of any example game where runs of separate difficulty modes are sufficiently different (and where one does not completely obsolete the other in terms of content) to consider them distinct categories. So I'm inclined to say that difficulty settings would in most (if not all) cases not be considered separate categories, and the preferred difficulty run would obsolete the other difficulty run, regardless of which one is faster.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Radiant wrote:
Samsara wrote:
Radiant wrote:
Rather, certain judges are operating differently than other judges. Some judges expect a run to be in hard mode and will generally reject easy-mode runs as being against site guidelines. Other judges except a run to be in easy mode and will likely reject hard-mode runs as being slower. So effectively, runs are being treated very differently depending on who ends up judging it.
Do you have any proof of this?
Basically this:
Mothrayas wrote:
One point I do believe should be discussed is the enforceability of the guideline as it currently stands. As Samsara said, sometimes runs are rejected for not using the hardest difficulty, and sometimes they are not. Currently the difficulty "rule" is only a guideline so it need not be enforced in its current state. However, we'll probably want to handle this more sensibly than "sometimes do enforce it, sometimes don't".
First of all, that is no proof, and second of all, your conclusion does not even follow from the statement I wrote.
Nowhere did I write, nor suggest, that certain judges are acting differently from other judges. If that actually happens (consistently), that's a problem, because each judge is expected to be equally fair towards all submissions in terms of judgment, and I definitely would want to hear more about it.
What I actually wrote is that runs sometimes are rejected for hardest difficulty and sometimes not, and this is because they are case-by-case scenarios for each submission. That has nothing to do with any individual judge(s). This is because of feedback which is different for every submission. Submissions with very significant viewer backlash against the difficulty choice are more likely to get rejected.
Radiant wrote:
Samsara, I believe the simplest solution would be for you to ask the other judges to make a brief statement in this thread here. If they are all on the same line with you on this (as they may well be), then the only problem is that site users simply don't know that.
Honestly, the way this discussion has been going, I am going to abstain from posting my own take on this for now. It seems like it's already hard enough to not conflate one judge's personal opinion with what the actual guidelines say, and throwing more opinions into the mix would probably just make it even worse.
Let's try to backtrack the discussion a little bit.
The guidelines state essentially: Play the most interesting difficulty - which is usually the hardest difficulty, but if the hardest difficulty only adds repetition, easier may be preferred instead for the interest of speed. When it's unclear which one is better, we can accept whichever if it is justified well enough.
As far as I can tell, that is what the guidelines state, that is how we are judging difficulty in submissions, and that is how we used to judge difficulty in submissions before Samsara rewrote the guidelines to clarify what we've been doing already.
If there is any inconsistency going on between those (between the guideline's message and what we're doing, or between what we did in the past/what we do in the present) then I'll certainly be more interested in that. But what I've been reading so far is largely a lot of criticism towards Samsara's personal opinion regarding easy mode - which is not official, and which is not what our guidelines say, and which is not what any judge is actually acting on, past or present, including Samsara herself. If you still have criticism towards something the guidelines say, then please clarify again in a way that's unambiguously about the guidelines and not a judge's personal, unenforced opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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ALAKTORN wrote:
It’s unfair that a user can get a rejected movie mark through no faults of his own. How was he supposed to know BizHawk was inaccurate?
If he really wanted to avoid the "rejected movie mark", he could have cancelled the movie any time after it was revealed that the movie didn't sync on a fixed BizHawk version. Which was around five days ago, so it's not like he didn't have the chance either.
Submissions that depend on emulation inaccuracies are rejected, regardless of whether the author was aware of it or not before it was submitted. It happens sometimes.
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Torturer4246 wrote:
If i'm doing a TAS of Mega Man, can I do one where it's just the robot masters?
Is there any good reason to do only the Robot Masters?
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Why can authors even vote their own movies?
Author votes are discarded when calculating overall rating of a movie. However, there's a bug where that isn't done for the individual entertainment/tech ratings of a movie.
Radiant wrote:
Spikestuff wrote:
Just going through the vault, looking at stuff above 6.0 Entertainment (and has 5 votes or more).
Of that list, only Push-Over, Metal Mech, and The Last Ninja are Vault-eligible. The rest are either not Vaultable games/game genres or not Vaultable categories.
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Did you get permission from DDRKhat to submit their run under your name?
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Please stop creating several topics without any content particularly related to speedrunning or TASing the games you are creating topics for. It is doing nothing but clogging up the forums with meaningless threads.
If you want to request for people to run (a) particular game(s), use the wishlist topics.
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I added Pokémon Plays Twitch, scrimpeh's run, and all the April Fool's suggestions.
I also tried to clean up the page a bit. We still need to do something about the large amount of video embeds at some point, as they put quite a load on weaker devices.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Another update: I managed to sync the whole run, after configuring Dolphin to use the correct memory card file (the one generated by the verification movie). It crashed one time around 44k frames in, but on the second time it ran through completely.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Spikestuff wrote:
I would... but...
<Mothrayas> I still find it tenuous to obsolete a run entirely because of different rng
<Mothrayas> I said this a million times by now and still haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise
<Mothrayas> or anything that convinces me that the run can be counted as an actual gameplay improvement
If we're going to play the IRC quoting game...
<Mothrayas> I said during pokemon yellow that I'm open to alternative ideas to credit the new run, and I've said the same thing during this run, but nobody ever seems to take notice of that
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Alyosha wrote:
I've read through the pokemon yellow one and I don't think the situation is the same. The difference between VBA and Gambette is not particularly well demonstrated as far as I could find, however the difference between bsnes and snes9x 1.43 is pretty plain.
Almost certainly, the result in Deign's run is just plain wrong, and I don't see how you cannot obsolete an incorrect result with a correct one. (But as mentioned above this is hypothetical until tested.) The correct one is even faster by 1 frame of gameplay improvement.
Being Overcome By Events is something that happens all the time. Deign didn't have control over it, but that doesn't mean its unfair to obsolete a run that is inaccurate with one that is. At worst, just put 'Deign & Spikestuff' as the authors.
Assuming that it is demonstrated to be so of course, which is the crux of my argument I guess.
There is no certainty at all that Spikestuff's run is any more right or wrong than Deign's run. bsnes is a more accurate emulator, but there is no telling at all that the RNG is the same as on console on the frame where the Clue outcome is determined in the run. As you said, a console verification might prove otherwise, but until then, stating that the RNG result in this run is correct (and Deign's is incorrect) is just guesswork. Even so, I'm still iffy about obsoleting a run by another run that only beats it by emulator switch, and not by any technical run improvement. Update the publication in some other way maybe (as was discussed in the other topic), but not obsolete it by another submission.
And no, I still do not count a different RNG allowing a shorter menu option to be a frame of "gameplay improvement".
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My viewpoint here is that by obsoleting a run that has not actually been improved in itself would be unfair to the original author of the movie. And I don't see getting better RNG because of an emulator switch to be a real improvement. It's not something that was in the previous author's control.
Please read the submission judgment note and the discussion topic of this submission that I linked last post. As far as I can tell, exactly the same arguments apply here.
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If this improvement is only because of an emulator switch (i.e. the 1 frame improvement cannot be reproduced in snes9x 1.43), then this is not an actual improvement and will not be accepted. (see precedent)
EDIT: Spikestuff confirmed to me on IRC that this is indeed the case.
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I made a verification movie file for anyone who wants to work on an Old Axe Armor run in the future.
User movie #28601423233692735
I made it on top of the existing all bosses TAS, so it uses DeSmuME 0.9.7 with Advanced Bus Timing off.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Anyone interested to give TASing or running the game a try?