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That's hilarious.
It's interesting to see that kind of payload being possible using just box data - it seems like that would require a lot of variable manipulation for each mon in the box.
Now that arbitrary code execution is possible in real time in RBY, I wonder what kind of payloads people can come up with...
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ikyokyo wrote:
1. I can compile it with MingW3.45 according to the guide of FBA Official site, but the fba.exe is extremely huge after compiling, over 17MB, is it originally that size or something did wrong?
The FBA executable is supposed to be around this size - at least the v0.0.5 and v0.0.7 releases are about 15.8MB. 17MB isn't a big stretch from that.
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Cpadolf wrote:
I only voted for Yoshi's Island. As great as I feel some of the other runs where, I simply don't think that anything else came close to excelling to the same extent in every possible aspect as the YI run did. It's in my mind undoubtedly the greatest TAS of the year and quite possibly the greatest TAS in the history of the site.
I did the same. These are a lot of really good runs here, but in my opinion the Yoshi's Island run just was a step above the rest, and deserves the award more than any of the other runs.
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Interesting to see someone speedrunning this game. The time is also interesting; I expected it to be longer than 2 hours.
Since it's any%, which clocks does it not get? And are there any particularly interesting abuses/tricks? (I currently don't have time to watch the full run, so I'd like to know if there's anything particularly notable).
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[22:02:32] * AngerFist slaps Sprint around a bit with a large trout
[22:02:33] * BisqBot recommends AngerFist be more original.
[22:03:27] * Sprint slaps BisqBot around a bit with a large AngerFist.
[22:03:27] * BisqBot skillfully catches the AngerFist and eats it.
[22:03:53] <AngerFist> wtf?!
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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For [console] TASer of the year, any TASer who has got one or more runs published in that year for said console can be nominated, regardless of whether all the TASer's runs are in the Vault.
For [console] TAS of the year, only TASes of Moons or Stars tier published in that year for said console can be nominated.
Note the difference.
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jlun2 wrote:
I guess it should be at least reworded to allow them in a case-by-case submission so that runs like the current Monopoly run would have a chance of being improved rather than stuck with only a faster TAS being mentioned in the movie description.
Note that these rules only apply to Vault. Monopoly is currently in Moons.
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NitroGenesis wrote:
I got nominated for doing one run of a shitty SMS pirate game?
<3
SMS didn't qualify under Exotic platforms.
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[16:30:23] <Lordmau5> BizHawk supports nes + snes? wow
[16:31:29] <adelikat> among other things
[16:31:41] <theenglishman> one of these days, BizHawk will emulate real life
[16:31:50] <adelikat> it already emulates your mom
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Important note from Nach's rejection message of PikachuMan's run:
Nach wrote:
Nach: Feedback for this run has overall been terrible, and it is quite boring. The vault does not allow for game show games. <snip>
Not to say anything (yet) about this submission's entertainment rate, but it is at least not eligible for Vault. Entertainment rate would have to be good.
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The Gameboy has 8 buttons to send input, which would be good for 1 byte per frame.
The SNES has 8 controllers with 16 buttons to send input, and input can be sent at least 3 times per frame to sync on consoles - that's 48 bytes per frame. Without console verification in mind, that can go up all the way to 480 bytes per frame.
Even just for console verification, it's possible to input about 3Kb of data per second (compared to Gameboy's 60 bytes per second). That's enough to get a lot done in just a few seconds.
(Also, I think bortreb's payload was mostly so long because it consisted of importing and interpreting a midi file for music output, and importing and interpreting a png file for the image. Just raw sprites would probably be much shorter to do.)
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franpa wrote:
Published with no encode in the first post?
Encodes in the first post weren't exactly common in 2007.
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I think the problem with starting from a clean save is having to buy each chapter after the first. I'm not sure if you even get enough credits to buy the chapters by finishing each chapter on Normal.
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There should be a comma after "in", for clarity. Right now that part of the sentence looks a bit off.
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On watching the run fully, it really doesn't give off a "avoids glitches" feeling with the extensive abuse of pause to cancel hit animation (which I consider a glitch) and pause glitch on mercy invincibility (which is certainly a glitch) and some other glitches. It's even more jarring with fights like Guts Man, where the trick isn't even necessary for an optimal run (unless it happens to save lag, not sure) yet abused extensively.
The end result looks like it just really arbitrarily skips using some glitches while still heavily abusing other glitches. It's just very arbitrary, and I don't think it's publishable this way. No vote.
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feos wrote:
I'd say, if one really has something to offer about this game, no glitches should be used, to actually differ from all movies we had.
What about a Magnet Beam-less run (which has been suggested by Nach a few times)?
It skips out most major zipping, which means most parts are already much different from what we've had now, it may allow some completely new routes/tricks in some stages, and is also interesting in that it's a concept impossible to perform in real time (as DelayStageClear is required to pass the parts that require Magnet Beam).
It also doesn't run into any issues of forgoing arbitrary tricks/glitches or other arbitrary restrictions. (In fact, you could even quantify it as low%, a completely objective category.)
The only big problem with this category is that it requires DelayStageClear and other really big glitches, which makes it hard if not infeasible to TAS for anyone not named FinalFighter.
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Nach wrote:
Warp wrote:
Nach wrote:
In good judgment, I don't see where we can accept this. It's slower than it should be, and the trade-offs could be better. Great demonstration video for gruefood delight.
I hope this was a joke.
Why should it be a joke?
I genuinely believe that this is probably the greatest TAS ever made. However, that doesn't mean it doesn't include what looks like some sloppy play.
The payload is playable, since it's playable, it falls into one of two categories:
Speed - The fastest way to complete this is to jump straight to the end.
Entertaining - To fill this with entertainment, the play of the games present should appear to be super human and not contain amateurish gameplay mistakes.
Since it took the time to play the two games, then it should play them as expertly as possible. The Snake game should be played trying to manipulate luck if at all possible, or with foreknowledge of what the fixed apple appearing pattern is. Then proceeds to get the snake as long as possible as quick as possible.
Do you honestly think the games are played "perfectly"? If so, explain why. If not, why do you think this should be ignored? Do you see another option here other than speed or entertainment?
Our rules state that what looks like sloppy play to the average viewer is grounds for rejection. This run is an amazing accomplishment and one of the greatest things I've ever seen, but that doesn't mean we should overlook its faults. TASVideos is about getting as close to perfection as possible.
To attack this problem from a different angle. Say we did accept this. Someone could come along tomorrow, start rerecording from the game menu, and then play Snake and Pong better and submit, and we'd be force to accept as an obsoletion. In fact, you can do that right now and still submit it while this is on the queue, and since those two games are simple, well, it'd be a rather simple way to *improve* this run right now. I imagine a bunch of our members are considering doing this as we speak, if they aren't already.
The point of the TAS gameplay in this submission is to bootstrap SMW as fast as possible, and not necessarily to finish the payload as fast as possible. The gameplay of the payload games in its current state perfectly demonstrates what it's intended to demonstrate, which is that the output consists of playable games. TASing the new games would drop the clarity about what the payload is. If a viewer sees a TASed snake run in here, that viewer may not even get to recognise it is snake being played.
Also, if the TAS is judged on the play of the payload result, then the Pi movie would technically be improvable by crashing it as fast as possible. But that would remove the whole point of coding these 'games' in the first place, wouldn't it?
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thatguy wrote:
A thought; if the first 1 min 40 of this run are the same as the finish-as-quickly-as-possible movie, does that count as an obsoletion?
Since they have different end goals, no.
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That was so much better than I ever would dare expect.
Definite TAS of the year 2014 material.
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There are a handful of runs which avoid taking damage to save time, but it's not a common category and generally not recommended to do, as it (ironically) can make a TAS look quite sloppy. And besides that, these runs still do aim for fastest time.
For e.g. autoscroller shmups, these are generally only accepted if they're also the fastest time (eligible for Vault) or considered entertaining (eligible for Moons/Stars). Runs that don't qualify for either will be rejected.
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BizHawk's NES core and SNES core (bsnes) are both very accurate, but as a tradeoff, are heavy on processing power. It's very likely the AMD E-350 just doesn't have the power to run these two cores at full speed.
Try turning off rewind and see if it has any significant effect on speed. If that (and previous suggestions) don't work, there isn't much you can do aside from getting a better processor.
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eternaljwh wrote:
Did the "later ports not preferred" rule get tossed out when we got Vault?
Yes. See the Super Mario Advance runs for example.
Besides, there is no reason to run the GB version over the GBC port. The only differences are color (obviously), control scheme and the GB version has slower, laggier cutscenes. Other than that, they're exactly the same.
The only visible difference in a GB run would be the lack of color. I considered the color version would make for a better watch.
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[1352] NES Donkey Kong by Phil in 01:08.67
"in 1:17" is not a meaningful category - and especially not if your movie time isn't even 1:17.
Besides that, you're much slower than the currently published run. Any reason this run should be worth publishing?
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